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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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so as chris o'brien returns to the power

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cast my first comment to him or maybe

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the last comment before we went on the

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air was

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please man stay alive

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chris was last on the power cast two

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weeks ago

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at the time he sounded

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terrible

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and then a few days later he's in the

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hospital chris

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yeah well here i am i'm back i did

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listen to a little bit of the show and i

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i kind of sound a little out of breath

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yeah unfortunately i've i've been you

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know it's a two-year process now i've

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quit smoking two years two days ago as a

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today and

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it's one thing to quit smoking and in

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the act of actually you know i would

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roll my own cigarettes with a machine

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and and smoke it was kind of a ritual

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you know i cut that out of my life but i

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didn't cut out the nicotine i kept

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chewing gum um i liked that little bit

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of a rush after a meal etc etc whatever

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excuse i want to

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justify that decision with

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but anyway once i got back from taiwan i

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chest cold i think on the plane and and

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i figured oh this would be a great time

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to kick nicotine

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and so as my chest cold cleared up i was

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purging myself of nicotine and sure

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enough the stuff was coming up and i was

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coughing it out and it was really

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cathartic and

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rather scary actually and then i i

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the cartilage in two of my lungs i

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separated my ribs

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and i couldn't cough anymore and with

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all the mucinex in my system and

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all this stuff i was really getting

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nervous and uh so i ended up having to

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check myself into the hospital and

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and go under full you know three liters

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four liters of oxygen and and then

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subsequently find out that i also had

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just contracted influenza a which is one

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of the strains from this year

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so kind of a triple whammy i was never

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in any danger or anything i it was all

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precautionary and

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and i really do think i'm over the hump

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with all this stuff and you won't have

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to be listening to my wheezy

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lame ass anymore so there

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so there well we definitely hope that

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you've gotten past this

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well yeah got to get my my my resident

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radio voice back

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yes get your resonance back

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without hurting your ribs now

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obviously you weren't here last week

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an episode about roswell um definitely

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would be up there in that category

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re-weighing the evidence uh as it as it

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were um i've looked kind of got a chance

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to look through the book a bit

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so you know hats off to kevin with you

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yet again uh the fine work of uh

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coming through the accounts and you know

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kind of using a lot of common sense

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really which which i totally support but

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was him coming to the show about roswell

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that you know i would even kind of

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listen i found myself i found it hard to

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be enthused about it and it's nothing to

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do with him or erica but really i just

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don't want to hear about roswell for a

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long long time and if i get the chance

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so you know again thanks a lot for

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and and and uh you know thanks go out to

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erica for uh for you know helping out in

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in my absence um i must say i

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i don't plan on uh revisiting that whole

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anytime soon so we're

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i'm taking some pretty good steps here

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and i'm starting to really kind of do a

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little bit of a lifestyle tweak here a

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little bit and uh i lost some weight

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stronger then yeah i'm going to really

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doing a little new year's resolution

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trim up you can't take chances with you

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know the organs that supply you with

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oxygen you never know maybe in six

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months time you'll be holding your

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breath five minutes doing free diving or

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smoking i you know of course i was a

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almost a professional soccer player and

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strong cardio system it's it's very

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and to get back in shape um you know

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decrepit old age believe it or not uh

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but it's trying to it's getting off the

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pregnant zone and the steroids that

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that's really you know that it's so

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difficult to work against that

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and i'm looking forward to uh to today's

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show uh i think we're gonna have uh some

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and uh i've never actually

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speaking with the uh the mufon head of

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of uh what is its

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research is that sorry

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this for everybody early in the history

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they've got the international ufo

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congress coming in mid-february in

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for solid research and i was looking

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over his bio he's director of research

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head of their science review board

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of the two authors for the stephenville

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lights which was one of the more

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credentials as an investigator so we're

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focusing not on the ancient stuff

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after year and take us nowhere we'll

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talk about current stuff

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current sightings to see what's

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happening and maybe to get a better

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picture of where we can take it from

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there and i think that's a very

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important point i'm very glad that we've

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got these two guests coming up

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and let's see also how that works you

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as chris does where we can really be in

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depth with a guest but sometimes a

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shorter appearance might just work

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congress because a lot of people i'd

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and a few people you've heard

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to talk to ted rowe

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because of the fact that we have this

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about that so i'm going to be hanging

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chris will be hanging out there

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and we'll hopefully do a few

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interviews and see exactly

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exactly where things stand dr john

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alexander is going to be there too

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so i want to ask more about that

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so here we go

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this week we've got alejandro rojas from

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open minds who's of course the chairman

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or the chief cook and bottle washer of

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the international ufo congress he comes

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hear from robert powell the head of

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research director of research for

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the mutual ufo network who has done a

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lot of credible work that we'll want to

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gogs makai is

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one of our forum moderators and a guest

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chris o'brien's back with gene and chris

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so just a few weeks ahead of the

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arizona for 2017 we've got alejandro

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rojas of open minds welcome back hello

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thanks for having me

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now it's interesting here we were

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talking about chris's

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illness before you came on

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and you were telling me you've told me

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this for a while now

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that you're undergoing a drug trial for

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some kind of back ailment

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yeah and actually i i do like to talk

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about it to like at least to make

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awareness out there because i didn't

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know it's this genetic thing called

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ankylyzing spondylitis and it's

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essentially similar to rheumatoid

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arthritis but it attacks your spine

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and causes it to fuse and can really

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cause a lot of issues as time goes on it

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comes on in your 20s my primary care

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physicians i told them about this back

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pain i had sometimes it was difficult to

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walk i mean it was always painful to

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walk but sometimes very very painful

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people at the conference actually would

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often be like what's wrong what's wrong

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you know and it's this issue i've had in

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my neck and throughout my back but only

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a few years ago a couple years ago did i

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finally get it diagnosed when a

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chiropractor said you really need to go

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to a rheumatologist and got diagnosed

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and now i'm on these research trials for

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these drugs which is great because uh

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the drugs are super expensive anybody

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with rheumatoid arthritis might know

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some of these drugs are really expensive

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so they also work for this issue so it's

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great when i'm on the drug i don't have

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the pain but if you have back pain and

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you don't know what it is don't assume

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that it's you know regular uh

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degenerative disc especially if you're

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younger in your 20s and this comes on go

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see a rheumatologist because this goes

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undiagnosed and it's something if i had

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caught earlier i could have kept from

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some of the spinal fusing that i have

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gone on so like my neck is pushed a

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little forward i can't straighten it and

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my back is completely stiff so i can't

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really bend over and stuff i could have

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you know kept that from happening had i

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caught it earlier

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well we're so glad that you finally got

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it worked out though

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yeah me too

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and i'm gonna get into the politics of

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health care in america you're taking a

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drug trial which means for the duration

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of this trial you get the drug free

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right but the very day that you're off

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this trial

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you've got to buy it

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exactly and hope that your health

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insurance will cover at least part of

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the cost

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yeah from what i gather you know best

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case scenario with most of these drugs

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it's going to be like a thousand bucks a

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pop with good insurance so

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yeah that's kind of an issue and what

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happens with these drugs you know people

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wonder why are they so ridiculously

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expensive essentially when a drug comes

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out

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for many years they're recouping their

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money on all of the research that they

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did because of course this research is

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extremely expensive and the research to

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develop it

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17 years for the patent

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yeah so it's a monies game i mean it's

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all about the money i mean drugs don't

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get developed unless they figure they

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can make money off of it and then once

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they do develop them uh that's why

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they're so crazy ridiculous expensive is

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that you're not just paying for your

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dosage you're paying for uh so these

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companies can recoup uh that's part of

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their paying for their advertising

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oh everything yeah they're advertising

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the entire uh

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cost that it took them to

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to get this product out there

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and it's part of you know what they plan

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when it's it's it's all numbers on their

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end i mean uh

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so

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what can you do yeah

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well you know the one thing of course is

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to buy it in mexico

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yeah

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but and that's what really gets me about

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america i mean not to get too much into

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politics but

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that you know

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people

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get so caught up in

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picking sides and choosing sites and and

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that forgoes the issue and the issue is

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people not having access to health care

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people dying people

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um

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you know who can afford outrageous costs

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and you know if you look at socialized

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health care sure there are some

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negatives but at least you know people

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don't have to die

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uh in pain in their beds at home and

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that does happen well you know the other

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thing that might be involved here and

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this is i think should close it

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is that this is actually something that

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both sides of the political spectrum

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agreed about which is

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they should have the power in the

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government in medicare and everything to

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negotiate with the drug companies for

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the best possible price

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and since the drugs you buy are the same

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they buy in the uk i mean if somebody in

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the uk

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buys this drug once it goes on sale

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they'll pay a fraction of what you pay

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in the u.s and we should have the

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ability

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to import these drugs as long as we have

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a industrialized country with high

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standards for safety

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we should buy wherever the price

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is the least

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and that will change things but let's

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just move beyond that and i hope things

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will be better for you maybe

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et will come here and they'll find a way

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to fix your back

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so you don't have to put up with that

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you know i give them a lot of publicity

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through the show and through all of this

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stuff that we do

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um and supposedly they're coming and

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taking people and healing them i think

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that uh yeah

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you should you should you should be at

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the head of the line already yeah it's

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like what if these guys these guys

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haven't done crap for you and you're

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taking them and healing them what about

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me

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right they're just picking up all these

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people in isolated parts of the world

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and here we have someone like alejandra

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rojas and

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openminds

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and he's been chilling for e.t for years

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not really i think mufon is more

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shilling for them than you are but you

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know you've been

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there promoting their best interests

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with all these great sightings of all

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you're cataloging their appearance on

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earth wherever they are come on down

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here and fix the guys back for heaven's

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sake yeah that would be very appreciated

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you know i'm thinking here the best way

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to do that is beam him

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to another place what you do here is you

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put him in the computer

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using the transporter you then

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rejigger his genetics and his

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physical

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problem

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you rebuild him and then you

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beam him to the next room

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and you know he doesn't have the head of

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a fly we don't have that kind of thing

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and he's really constituted and he's

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healthy

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yeah you know a lot about their

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technology

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no i don't

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even some of the technical terms re

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re-jigger is that what you said reed

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is a very technical term it's

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only used among the

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second squad of the first quadrant

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oh see you know what's going on that's

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right and the third quadrant we don't

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know you know did you listen to last

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week's episode of the power cast

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alejandro

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did i know i rarely get to listen to

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podcasts unfortunately especially these

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days right now when we're just so

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swamped getting ready for the conference

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well okay so

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we're closing the book on roswell

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and we had kevin randall with

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an appearance where he talks about his

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book

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roswell in the 21st century

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okay i am aware of the issue going on

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with randall or at least what's going on

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about that and i have read his blog on

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it and i'm having him i'm interviewing

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him tomorrow actually for my show on the

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same topic

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right and here's the point

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i think

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he did

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the last best effort to make sense of

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roswell he exposed a lot of the areas

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where the evidence doesn't exist and i

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think it's time to move on this is not

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the

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we'll never solve it leave it be with

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is a dollar 49 half what you pay for a

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starbucks anything these days or a third

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just as a straight regular cup of coffee

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on the panel and chris is back raring to

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go a little bit later we'll have robert

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powell

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now once we set aside alejandro the

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ancient ufo cases and we deal with the

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modern ones

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what do you think if i wanted to present

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to an audience

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these are the best cases to demonstrate

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something's going on what cases do you

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prefer

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modern like how modern like in the last

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couple decades

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let's start with rendlesham which isn't

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very modern 1980. but certainly it's a

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lot better in 1947. there's not a lot

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really some of the big cases

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stephenville i don't think there's much

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there i mean you have a few anecdotal

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things what was funny is when that

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happened i was

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working for mufon as their

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director of communication and we got all

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these calls and everything but there was

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a much interesting exciting more

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interesting sighting in san diego during

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that time with more witnesses more

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credible witnesses but for some reason

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it came this media

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big thing and often especially these

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days that's the whole point is the ones

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that get big are big in the media but

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there's not much substance to them so a

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lot of these you know that people are

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aware of

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i feel you know they're anecdotal which

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is interesting but not that substantial

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i would say

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though the

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chicago o'hare in 2008

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would be a really big one and that may

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be the best actually since rendlesham

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then there would be of course the

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phoenix lights that one gets a little

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more

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difficult but there were

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thousands of witnesses and that's going

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to be the highlight of our ufo congress

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this year because it's the 20th

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anniversary we're going to have a lot of

837
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,600
interviews uh and it's a big deal here

838
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,840
in phoenix in fact the arizona

839
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,720
historical society has a display in

840
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,799
their museum of the phoenix sites and we

841
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,960
interviewed the director the other day

842
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,000
and we're going to be showing that

843
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,760
interview at the conference and we're

844
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,679
going to be putting it online at the

845
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,240
anniversary so the phoenix lights in

846
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,640
chicago o'hare

847
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,880
those are to me those are probably the

848
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,279
best even though they're anecdotal

849
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,360
there's been some pretty good ones i

850
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,240
would say the puerto rico sighting is a

851
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,320
interesting one i i don't know that it's

852
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,760
definitive

853
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,840
i think that perhaps we'll have an

854
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,640
answer to that one at some point this

855
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,720
was the aguadilla one which was what

856
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,640
2014

857
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,320
last year there was a good one where the

858
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,039
saint athens police and whale

859
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,080
also caught a craft on their ir

860
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,000
in a helicopter police helicopter using

861
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,360
their infrared although they couldn't

862
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,679
see it with their eye

863
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:02,080
that was a really interesting one but

864
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,519
that one needs some more research and

865
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,360
they're not releasing that video so

866
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,760
that's what's difficult about that

867
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,200
but those are some of the ones that

868
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:11,120
popped to mind

869
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,399
are there any you're thinking of

870
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,399
specifically

871
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,120
i obviously thought of o'hare we did

872
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,720
several shows on that

873
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,480
yeah that's a great one

874
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,279
i've got a few gene what about the ones

875
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,240
maybe around 2008 where there was a a

876
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,720
pilot and passengers of a small plane

877
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,960
crossing the english channel going to

878
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,960
one of the channel islands

879
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,519
that was a case where the captain and

880
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,000
the passengers were looking at a huge

881
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,600
mile across object for 10 20 minutes or

882
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,880
so it was confirmed by track air traffic

883
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,360
control yeah it was on another pilot

884
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,120
yeah and then there was a second object

885
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,440
as well how about mexico city as well

886
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:53,279
it's had quite a few

887
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,880
um in these recent decades what else is

888
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:59,279
there well the norad event

889
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,240
i don't know

890
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:01,519
still my my

891
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,399
favorite

892
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,919
credible ones

893
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:06,000
unfortunately like like that i feel like

894
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:07,200
that uh

895
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,039
ir video that the mexican military had

896
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,360
provided to jaime musan i think has been

897
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,440
very thoroughly debunked

898
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:18,240
personally so mexico i don't know i

899
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,039
don't

900
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,039
that there are any credible ones jaime

901
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,279
moussan's always pushing a lot of videos

902
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,440
most of which uh if not all of which

903
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,600
have been very thoroughly debunked but

904
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:29,840
he just kind of pushes that aside and

905
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:32,640
still pushes those forward

906
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,039
to him facts don't matter the norad one

907
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,679
yeah yeah unfortunately

908
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,240
now is it true do you think

909
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,880
that the sightings of

910
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,000
days gone by before 1980

911
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,240
in the late 40s and the 50s

912
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,799
seem to be much more sensational than

913
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,200
the stuff we've seen in recent years

914
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,279
or is it because we

915
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,679
mistook a few things because of the fact

916
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,320
that our abilities and understanding

917
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,399
human perception and things like that

918
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,720
were not quite as advanced i mean that

919
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,040
was the big issue made with roswell that

920
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,599
people have a tendency to want to put

921
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,040
themselves

922
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:15,040
in the middle of events in which they

923
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:18,399
had no participation whatever

924
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,800
my opinion is that uh it's because uh

925
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,399
you know up until

926
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:27,440
1970 we had official investigation of

927
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,879
ufos and some of those best cases uh

928
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:33,520
were investigated by the air force in

929
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,119
their blue book cases and you know no

930
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,679
organization in the united states has

931
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,879
had the resources that the military had

932
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,520
to investigate those cases and so they

933
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:46,800
were well

934
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:50,879
investigated and uh the unknowns there

935
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,320
are really difficult to explain i think

936
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,359
to me

937
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,160
that's why those are the best cases but

938
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:01,119
now that that important organization is

939
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,920
no longer sharing their ufo research uh

940
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,040
that that's why we don't have as many

941
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,400
cases because then it's left up to

942
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,200
you know the civilian organizations uh

943
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,400
most of which are

944
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,200
unqualified you know volunteers

945
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,200
who just don't have the the

946
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,680
qualifications to thoroughly investigate

947
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,599
uh these cases nor do they have the

948
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,560
credible

949
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,400
often usually you don't have the

950
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,040
credible input of you know military

951
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,480
witnesses

952
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,640
who were involved so i think that's what

953
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,560
becomes difficult even with chicago

954
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,400
o'hare

955
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,640
what was interesting about when john

956
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,880
hilkovich the chicago tribune

957
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,880
writer went to investigate he ran into

958
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,280
many of the roadblocks we all do for

959
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,359
instance united saying no there's

960
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,200
nothing going on here

961
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,359
the faa saying no we didn't receive any

962
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,079
reports and then having to at least the

963
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,640
faa having to change their position

964
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,920
once uh he did submit the foia and they

965
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:04,240
said oh yeah we did get some

966
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,040
so

967
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,880
you know they still weren't for coming

968
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,359
with information with him and you'll

969
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,520
talk to robert powell in a bit and he'll

970
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:14,640
even talk about how difficult it is to

971
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,960
get radar data from the faa or anyone

972
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,520
and they've they've even shut some doors

973
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:23,440
and he can explain that

974
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,400
better

975
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,560
now one big thing we have then

976
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,720
that we don't have now and

977
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,720
you know i mention his name all the time

978
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,560
and i'll go into it in our next segment

979
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,960
was major donald kehoe

980
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,839
and whatever his shortcomings

981
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,720
believing i think too quickly in e.t and

982
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,880
everything there were things that he was

983
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,640
able to do that a lot of other people

984
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,079
couldn't do got more to come with

985
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alejandra rojas and chris and goggs

986
00:36:59,290 --> 00:36:50,240
you're in

987
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[Applause]

988
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thank you for listening to gcn

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alejandro rojas of open minds in the

1095
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1096
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mentioned major kehoe because he had all

1097
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these contacts in the military during

1098
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the days of project blue book and they

1099
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could call on people

1100
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and get these cases

1101
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that a lot of people didn't have we

1102
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don't have anybody like that around

1103
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anymore really i mean we have people

1104
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with

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military connections but this was

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somebody who

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made that a badge of honor

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well maybe tom delonge's got a contact

1109
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now if that's to be believed

1110
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,400
what we know that's to be believed

1111
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,480
well we do know through the podesta

1112
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:01,440
wikileaks that he does have the contacts

1113
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,319
we know that he's very uh connected

1114
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,119
without at least one person uh one

1115
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:09,760
retired general who was an assistant to

1116
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,400
the commander of space command and we

1117
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,400
know he's so close because this person

1118
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,640
was in the meeting that podesta had put

1119
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,200
together he's in some of the emails that

1120
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,599
you know were in these wikileaks that

1121
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,040
were released and he wrote a comment you

1122
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,599
know he wrote uh one of the

1123
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,480
reviews to tom delong's book

1124
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,079
seems like he's very close with this

1125
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,200
individual and of course in that podesta

1126
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,520
meeting that pedestal had set up he also

1127
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,319
had

1128
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:41,040
a general who tom delong says he's close

1129
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,760
to

1130
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,200
who was in charge of the labs at

1131
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,520
wright-patterson air force base

1132
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,960
a gentleman who was in charge of area

1133
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:48,240
51.

1134
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:49,280
so

1135
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:54,160
how close these contacts are and exactly

1136
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,680
what he told them

1137
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,119
we'll have to see

1138
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,119
i'm wondering here now because she

1139
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,720
doesn't have to worry about hillary

1140
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,200
clinton and political correctness

1141
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,599
whether john podesta will be more

1142
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:07,040
emphatic

1143
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,000
about

1144
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,079
making more of an effort to get

1145
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,079
information what do you think

1146
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,079
well i've interviewed leslie kane and

1147
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:19,200
she says that he is she's very close to

1148
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,000
him

1149
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,000
especially on this topic she says that

1150
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,720
he is still very gung-ho he's not going

1151
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:26,880
to stop and he's very into the topic and

1152
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,160
he will be moving forward and doing more

1153
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,520
so it's exciting to see what he might do

1154
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,599
um and whether or not tom delonge is

1155
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,839
involved the tom de long thing what

1156
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,160
throws a real curveball in all of this

1157
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,400
is that tom has spoken to these

1158
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,720
gentlemen as some of them several times

1159
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,560
some of them he's close to

1160
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,359
even though he is out there telling

1161
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,440
people that the government has back

1162
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,319
engineered alien spacecraft and and he

1163
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,480
has insider information that this is

1164
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,760
true

1165
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,400
why would these people be talking to him

1166
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:02,079
i i find it hard to believe they would

1167
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,520
tell him that

1168
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,440
but that's what he's claiming and we do

1169
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,520
have confirmation he has been talking to

1170
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,359
these people so

1171
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,280
that's really weird

1172
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,200
yeah we just don't have a clue what he

1173
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,040
what they may have actually talked about

1174
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,480
or well what may have been revealed but

1175
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,160
i've read you know i've read the open

1176
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:22,240
minds kind of the latest article about

1177
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:23,119
this

1178
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,079
and

1179
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,560
so is tom delong's kind of saying that

1180
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:28,640
he requested

1181
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,160
10 advisers or whatever and that he was

1182
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,560
kind of pointed towards such people who

1183
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,720
may have been directed to help him do

1184
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,839
you know if that part of it is true well

1185
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,640
this is a really interesting aspect this

1186
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,640
is great because

1187
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,200
in that meeting that podesta had set up

1188
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,440
in the aftermath later that day tom de

1189
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,680
long sent podesta an email we know this

1190
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,400
through the wikileaks saying hey general

1191
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,800
uh mcclellan or mccandlin i think his

1192
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,480
name was the guy that worked at wright

1193
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,440
patterson he uh said he was a skeptic

1194
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,880
but he's not

1195
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,720
so it sounds like he wasn't willing to

1196
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,640
share much in this meeting with podesta

1197
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,560
and he was he was taking a skeptic kind

1198
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,960
of point of view but tom went on to say

1199
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,680
he's not a skeptic in fact she's the one

1200
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,000
who helped me get together my team of

1201
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,520
advisors

1202
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,480
uh

1203
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,359
why that is so very interesting is that

1204
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:23,920
prior to that a few months prior tom

1205
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,359
delong had posted on facebook a picture

1206
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,400
of area 51 and he said

1207
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,319
it was just the gate of area 51 and he

1208
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,200
said i just met with a general

1209
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,560
who uh

1210
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:37,760
has

1211
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,119
told me that we did have an alien body

1212
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,000
and he helped me put together a group of

1213
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,640
advisors at that time he didn't say who

1214
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,280
that was but given what the wikileaks

1215
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,280
say it seems like it was this wright

1216
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:54,160
patterson guy so is that true would this

1217
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,520
guy say we have an alien body he also

1218
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,720
told podesta in that email he said this

1219
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,240
is the guy that worked at wright

1220
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,400
patterson which is where they sent the

1221
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,560
roswell craft

1222
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:09,280
so he would have known about that

1223
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:10,560
material

1224
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,960
so a lot of so it's really strange

1225
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,880
what might be going on there

1226
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,680
it's inconceivable that you know uh

1227
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:22,480
military officers retired or not of this

1228
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,520
rank

1229
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,440
of this um

1230
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,839
long-standing uh apparently good

1231
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,520
reputation and

1232
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,440
specifically what roles they may have

1233
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,640
played as in being an area 51 or right

1234
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,800
partisan foreign technology division

1235
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:38,960
whatever but it's kind of to me it's

1236
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,839
inconceivable that they would be

1237
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,319
talking to tom delong on this subject

1238
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,200
unless they'd been given the nod from

1239
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,040
you know the four stars or whatever

1240
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,680
hired up somebody to say yes you can do

1241
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:53,880
this because this is really

1242
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,880
unprecedented for completely

1243
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,240
civilian

1244
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,240
researcher to kind of come out of

1245
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,839
nowhere okay i know he was in a rock

1246
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,160
band but on this subject to kind of come

1247
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,200
out of nowhere and very quickly claim

1248
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:09,599
contact with you know a former white

1249
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,040
house chief of staff campaign manager of

1250
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,079
you know last presidential candidate and

1251
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,000
you know i can't think of anything

1252
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,960
that's quite like this in the past

1253
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,960
i agree with you a hundred percent in

1254
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,680
fact if tom de long would have come out

1255
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,240
and said i had a meeting with john

1256
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,040
podesta and these generals and this guy

1257
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,880
from skunk works

1258
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:34,800
um i wouldn't have believed it i would

1259
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,920
have thought hmm sure you did but

1260
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,520
since they were you know in the

1261
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,520
wikileaks we know that it really did

1262
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,880
happen so

1263
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,520
uh i agree with you it is unfathomable

1264
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,400
and it really blows my mind

1265
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,960
i think regarding john podesta

1266
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,520
unfortunately for him even though

1267
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,079
um you know he's supposedly a man of

1268
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,839
good character and obviously high

1269
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,040
standing

1270
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,640
many people know who he is in the

1271
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,040
political world but i suppose the fact

1272
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,359
that he unfortunately wasn't on the

1273
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,880
winning side in the presidential

1274
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,280
election he's not going to have the same

1275
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,839
kind of automatic rights to a media

1276
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:14,400
platform should he choose to talk about

1277
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,280
this

1278
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,079
you know in a comparison than if if

1279
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,880
hillary had won and he had gone on to be

1280
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,359
in her team or whatever you know people

1281
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,280
would listen to him far more readily on

1282
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,800
any subjects unfortunately for as as as

1283
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,359
regarding john podesta he's not quite in

1284
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,119
the same position i don't mean you know

1285
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,280
he'd be ignored but

1286
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,160
not as much as he could have had right

1287
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,160
yeah but where are we at gene we're

1288
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:42,079
getting tom delong on

1289
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,200
well

1290
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,520
he's got a new book coming out

1291
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,720
in march

1292
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,150
a fictional book obviously

1293
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,240
the new one's called gods an official

1294
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,960
investigation of the ufo phenomenon

1295
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,200
that's coming out on march 7th

1296
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,640
so this would be a really good time to

1297
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,480
get him when he's coming out with a new

1298
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,640
book he's going to want to promote that

1299
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,640
so definitely that's really high on the

1300
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,559
agenda by the way leslie kane has a book

1301
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,760
on life after death it's also coming out

1302
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,680
later this year and we're talking with

1303
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,680
her publisher about getting her into

1304
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,000
that so this is quite unlike

1305
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,839
her previous connection strictly with

1306
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,520
ufos

1307
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,119
so we'll have to see where that goes you

1308
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,520
know folks we have a short period of

1309
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,839
time to spend with alejandro and there's

1310
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,760
a bunch of questions from our listeners

1311
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:32,400
maybe look at the relevant ones guys

1312
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,079
and let's see what we can pursue here

1313
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,480
how's that okay

1314
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,520
yeah i can open up just to tell the

1315
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:43,920
listeners that you know if they want to

1316
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,400
uh give questions for

1317
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,079
upcoming guests they can find them in

1318
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,359
the question bank at

1319
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,920
forum.theparacast.com

1320
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,000
i've got a question here from

1321
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,160
cullen or cullen who's been a member for

1322
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,520
two months and he said alejandro how and

1323
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,079
will open minds and the international

1324
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:03,680
ufo congress

1325
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:06,400
distance itself from events like the

1326
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,520
mufon international symposium that cater

1327
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,880
to the more true believer crowd so you

1328
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,640
know can if you can i can explain maybe

1329
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,640
where open minds is coming from in terms

1330
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,880
of who you're aiming at and you know

1331
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:20,960
what how you feel about true believers

1332
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,200
and more skeptical ufo interested people

1333
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,280
before you answer alejandro we have

1334
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,880
about a minute then we have to split for

1335
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,240
a break go ahead

1336
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,319
okay i mean surely we won't we won't

1337
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,079
distance ourselves with mufon i can't

1338
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,760
see us ever doing that you got to

1339
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,319
remember mufon is a large group of

1340
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,079
people some who are very careful

1341
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,079
researchers like robert powell who

1342
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,119
you're gonna have on who's perhaps even

1343
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:47,440
more uh conservative in this field than

1344
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,880
i am perhaps maybe not but uh he is a

1345
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,040
director for mufon and then you have of

1346
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,960
course the real wild-eyed people

1347
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,880
unfortunately i feel that the leadership

1348
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,440
has kind of taken uh they've gotten off

1349
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,760
of the track of the scientific inquiry

1350
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,319
and and i find that unfortunate but

1351
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,000
still

1352
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,480
they're an important organization we can

1353
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,160
have plenty of arguments of course about

1354
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,760
mufon

1355
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,160
and we've mentioned for example erica

1356
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,599
luke's having some

1357
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,160
unsavory experiences with some of the

1358
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:20,000
leadership of mufon

1359
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,839
but then that's individual people and we

1360
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,599
can always hope that something can be

1361
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,280
done about that and that problem

1362
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,839
alejandra rojas have open minds and the

1363
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:30,000
international ufo congress

1364
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:34,160
with gene chris and goggs and alejandro

1365
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:35,200
you're in

1366
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:48,710
[Music]

1367
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,270
visit

1368
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,990
attack of the rockoids has been well

1369
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,319
received by critics and readers alike

1370
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,920
it's a thrill a minute story you'll

1371
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,359
never forget

1372
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,280
a former u.s military intelligence

1373
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,760
officer is haunted by intense dreams

1374
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,319
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1375
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,640
help after a terrible battle in outer

1376
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:15,680
space

1377
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,839
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1378
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,839
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1379
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,559
with a woman whose far away planet is

1380
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,040
intent on destroying the earth

1381
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,440
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[Applause]

1420
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:09,430
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1421
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:13,119
standard of paranormal radio

1422
00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:14,319
and now

1423
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:17,660
here's gene steinberg

1424
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,990
this is al para casto and i'm going to

1425
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,920
be on the l now when i think of l you

1426
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,839
know you think of the spanish

1427
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,160
word i think of new york city

1428
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,559
the outline yes

1429
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,400
the elevated train

1430
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,839
exactly

1431
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:37,520
cool

1432
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,040
in that it brings this topic uh and it

1433
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,240
was treated well uh forbes i think

1434
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,000
that's what maybe got has moved on on

1435
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,359
the mind for people lately forbes had uh

1436
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,680
interviewed jan harzan the director of

1437
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:56,480
mufon uh in a couple articles this week

1438
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,599
so for instance jan talks about s4 and

1439
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,079
how there could be aliens or or ufos

1440
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,160
there and personally i don't think

1441
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,079
there's really any evidence that s4

1442
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,720
exists i don't think it does wherever

1443
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,280
bob lazar who was a witness who says

1444
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,559
where s4 was and he was driven by a bus

1445
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:16,720
it can't be there it was it's too close

1446
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,800
to the nukes you know there's people

1447
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,880
who've done research there that you know

1448
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,400
that's an area where people can't go

1449
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,480
into the other thing is there are no

1450
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,079
roads there and never have been any

1451
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:29,200
roads that go to this area um so i don't

1452
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,559
know that s4 exists there is an s4

1453
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,960
on the base surprisingly but it's it's

1454
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,880
part of this other group of buildings

1455
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,280
that is in completely different place uh

1456
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,280
not a below ground secretive type of

1457
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,240
thing so he has some views and everybody

1458
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,480
has views and opinions but the forbes

1459
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,040
articles really did at least treat the

1460
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:51,760
subject respectfully and that was cool

1461
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,559
at least it brings more attention but

1462
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:56,559
you know we can criticize each other all

1463
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,920
day long and we do have various opinions

1464
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,240
and things like that but still they're

1465
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,000
very important and what robert powell

1466
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,079
for instance with his scientific board

1467
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,799
is doing is invaluable

1468
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,240
that's good i i can't wait to get a

1469
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,760
chance to pick his brain a little bit

1470
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,640
and uh

1471
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,319
and find out

1472
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
you know so what what his motivations

1473
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,920
are i think that's always a question

1474
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,440
that should be asked anybody that's

1475
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,040
higher up in mufon is you know what's

1476
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,720
your motivation

1477
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,440
yeah

1478
00:56:27,789 --> 00:56:25,280
we have a question here from sand who's

1479
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,799
been a long time poster uh here at

1480
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,359
forum.paracast.com

1481
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,119
uh actually christmas he signed up in

1482
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,960
2014.

1483
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,359
he's wondering alejandro

1484
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,440
he's heard you refer to your ufo

1485
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,920
sighting your personal experience but

1486
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:41,280
i've never heard you describe it what

1487
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,880
happened and

1488
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,480
is that what started your interest in

1489
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,680
this subject

1490
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,559
uh it's not i didn't have a ufo sighting

1491
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,119
until many many years after i was in

1492
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,359
this topic and and at the time i was

1493
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,040
frustrated i mean i was already working

1494
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,559
with mufon for many years had been a an

1495
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,280
investigator and all of this stuff so

1496
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,680
that was my first sighting my first

1497
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,160
sighting was my first visit well chris i

1498
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,240
think i may have talked about this with

1499
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,400
you actually before because it was in

1500
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,480
the san luis valley what you're famous

1501
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,599
for uh you're the expert in the area so

1502
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,000
it was my first visit to the ufo

1503
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,480
watchtower

1504
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,280
yeah really funny so we went to the ufo

1505
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,559
watchtower

1506
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,960
uh met um

1507
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:29,280
the leslie the lady who runs it is

1508
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,240
interesting

1509
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,559
judy judy that's right

1510
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,880
and yeah we had talked to her uh for a

1511
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,920
while but uh this is funny it's funny

1512
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,960
because

1513
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,480
there were some

1514
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,280
steven grier follower people there

1515
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,520
and you know the protocol stephen greer

1516
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:47,920
uses to call in ufos is secret

1517
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:51,119
however you know being just ornery i had

1518
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,720
went and looked for it and stuff like

1519
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,799
that so they wanted to do this protocol

1520
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,599
so we did and then we got to talking

1521
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,200
even though we should have been watching

1522
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,000
the sky and and i must say i do not

1523
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,240
believe that this personally

1524
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,079
i don't believe that this protocol does

1525
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,000
call in extraterrestrials or anything

1526
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,599
like that well you have to have your

1527
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:11,920
hands on on the good doctor

1528
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,000
yeah and unfortunately i do not um yeah

1529
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,640
i'll just leave it at that but anyway uh

1530
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,960
it it got dark and my sister says i

1531
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,960
think i see a satellite and my sister

1532
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:25,200
and i have camped a lot and i could tell

1533
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,400
her in her voice that there was

1534
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,559
something weird there so i went outside

1535
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,280
immediately and uh and there was a

1536
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,160
bright light over directly

1537
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,960
well a little bit um what was that it

1538
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,799
was east of us

1539
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,200
um we're looking at the dunes yeah

1540
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,680
exactly the sand dunes are exactly east

1541
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,559
so it was a little bit um to what the

1542
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,680
north yeah and the light and it was over

1543
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,040
the hills

1544
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,280
and when it got over the dunes it kind

1545
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,000
of uh i felt like it kind of pulsed

1546
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:57,920
others felt like it maybe stopped and

1547
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,640
went you know like jittered or something

1548
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,640
and then it faded out but it was a

1549
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,880
really bright light it was not very high

1550
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:07,119
on the above the mountains

1551
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,000
um

1552
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,119
and it was that was really odd uh oh

1553
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,599
this is what happened

1554
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,200
that that's right on the edge of the la

1555
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,920
vida military operations area um and

1556
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,760
judy has a

1557
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,119
front row

1558
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,880
loge uh seat

1559
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,799
on some of the activity that pops up

1560
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,880
from the werefono valley above the uh

1561
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,680
you know the the ridgeline of the song

1562
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:31,200
i've seen some really cool stuff there

1563
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,000
but

1564
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,079
after that it was it was just getting

1565
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,240
dark so that was just dusk it was almost

1566
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,079
completely dark when that happened we

1567
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,880
were talking and excited about it and uh

1568
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,640
just a few minutes later by now it was

1569
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,720
completely dark to

1570
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,119
behind us from the southwest and the

1571
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,839
northwest there were satellites two

1572
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,640
satellites coming and they were uh just

1573
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,319
they i'm calling them satellites because

1574
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,720
they were a single point of light moving

1575
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,359
you know in one steady direction and

1576
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:01,680
they crossed

1577
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,720
directly over where we saw this thing

1578
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,599
um before you know moving on and fading

1579
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,079
out which was also really

1580
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,839
weird

1581
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,760
yeah well

1582
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:16,000
you know welcome to my world i i spent

1583
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:17,520
13 years there and well i'll tell you

1584
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,400
there was

1585
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,160
there are some time periods where i mean

1586
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,280
we were seeing things daily and nightly

1587
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:25,440
because we were seeing activity it was

1588
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:26,839
just

1589
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:30,960
um beyond uh a trip to disneyland uh it

1590
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,760
really was at times uh quite amazing uh

1591
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,520
really really uh

1592
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:37,119
sparked a fire and an interest in me

1593
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,160
that uh

1594
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,680
won't go out anytime soon let's put it

1595
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,520
that way so

1596
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,240
yeah really cool and to segue into the

1597
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,319
congress just because it's kind of

1598
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,040
similar it reminds me of what uh is

1599
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:52,160
going on in hesdelin in norway and uh

1600
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,359
i'm really excited because we're going

1601
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,559
to have a professor who has done a

1602
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,280
university study on these lights for

1603
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,119
years he has a course where he takes

1604
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,839
students out to go look at these lights

1605
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,920
uh in this valley

1606
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,920
this hesterlin valley in norway so he's

1607
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:09,920
going to be at the conference talking

1608
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,480
about his findings and showing us videos

1609
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,880
of those lights that he and researchers

1610
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,200
from all over the world have captured

1611
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,200
i think erling strand has been on the

1612
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,119
power cast quite a few years ago was

1613
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:22,640
that right

1614
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,000
yeah it was yep so that's game

1615
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,119
yeah

1616
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:30,160
he's a quality guest no pro no doubt

1617
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:30,960
yeah

1618
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,710
although i you know i i do share the

1619
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,640
concerns others have with the mufon

1620
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,720
symposium and i'm afraid that this next

1621
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:45,119
one will not be any better if anything

1622
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,280
um perhaps uh even more concerning to

1623
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,799
your listeners and i think your

1624
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,880
listeners are similar to my listeners

1625
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,000
and uh

1626
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,079
but what can you do i mean uh it's a

1627
01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:58,559
community um

1628
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,040
it's just like uh elections you know

1629
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:03,599
it's it's a democratic type of thing we

1630
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,040
i guess we have to go with the flow

1631
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,680
sometimes how's the demographic now are

1632
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,680
there more young people attending do you

1633
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,720
think

1634
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,920
no

1635
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,559
um the symposium at least attendance

1636
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:16,240
hasn't changed

1637
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,040
forever since i've known uh

1638
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,680
you know unfortunately the best you know

1639
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,359
in california they get a little more

1640
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,839
people and a few more younger people in

1641
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:28,160
fact i met thomas jane

1642
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,079
uh the actor at uh the mufon symposium

1643
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,920
and we actually got to converse for a

1644
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:35,520
small period of time he's really into

1645
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,640
ufos

1646
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,799
but um

1647
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,160
we're getting a little better at the

1648
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:42,960
congress just because luckily we have uh

1649
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,440
more press that we're able to connect

1650
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,920
with and some of the press that we're

1651
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able to connect work connect with um

1652
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:53,920
have uh kind of younger viewership

1653
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:55,280
um

1654
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:56,240
so

1655
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,040
it has gotten a little better but still

1656
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:01,200
you know it is i think there's a pattern

1657
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,040
when you're really the younger people

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01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,480
like to look at stuff online not

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01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,119
necessarily go to events

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where there's lectures and information

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when you're in your 30s and 40s you're

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busy with your kids and your career you

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know who can take a week off to go to

1664
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something like this

1665
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:19,280
so it's not until you're retired that

1666
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you can really

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spend the time that it takes to

1668
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you know take a week off and go to an

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event like this

1670
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,400
or something so i that's that's what i

1671
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,960
feel is kind of the cycle of things

1672
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,200
we'll move on here just to mention

1673
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thomas jane becomes 48 years old this

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year

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so

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he's not quite that young

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all right we've got more to come all

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right alejandra rojas chris o'brien

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and gene steinberg

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never forget

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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

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1782
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1783
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1787
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segment or two more a little bit later

1788
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,679
robert powell joins us he is

1789
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:30,480
the

1790
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,159
director of research for mufon and he's

1791
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,839
done a lot of work on stephenville and a

1792
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,159
lot of other cases a puerto rican case

1793
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,960
from 2013 that's really significant i'm

1794
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,199
going to ask him also about what he

1795
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:43,600
knows about this chilean case

1796
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,799
that happened

1797
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,120
a couple of years back that may have

1798
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:49,600
been identified as a conventional object

1799
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,319
but

1800
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,159
it's important to get that in

1801
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:53,839
perspective because what happens with

1802
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,880
ufo cases all the time is they get a

1803
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:59,359
legendary status sometimes

1804
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,319
and

1805
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,159
if you solve them

1806
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,719
and they're conventional people don't

1807
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:07,199
believe that

1808
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,159
you know

1809
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,799
how do you feel about that phenomenon

1810
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:12,480
alejandro that

1811
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:13,679
you can't

1812
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:16,480
disprove a good ufo case because if you

1813
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,679
do

1814
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,359
it'll just resurrect itself it's like a

1815
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,040
discredited researcher

1816
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,440
this researcher is shown to be a fraud

1817
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,279
and i won't mention one particular one

1818
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,679
from pennsylvania whose credentials were

1819
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,080
fake and he's back in it now

1820
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,400
it was all fake news i guess

1821
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:34,799
yeah it's frustrating i mean it's just

1822
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:36,560
really frustrating the media is really

1823
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,679
bad because when a case goes out because

1824
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,199
this happened a lot when i was working

1825
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:43,199
with the media with mufon and it still

1826
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:46,719
happens where a case happens a sighting

1827
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,000
happens it makes really big news but

1828
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,319
once we would figure out what it was and

1829
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,839
typically it was you know and it's

1830
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,600
something mundane and then you would

1831
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,159
send out a press release on that no news

1832
01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:00,480
at all no one would cover that part

1833
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:01,840
because you know the cycle for that

1834
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,640
story's gone and there is no story about

1835
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,800
hey we figured out this was just a

1836
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,320
balloon or something

1837
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,960
yeah it's really frustrating that that

1838
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,400
happens

1839
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,159
but you know in this field

1840
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,159
that's the hard part is you get just

1841
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,320
beat up left and right it's one of the

1842
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,960
reason why i try to tell people not to

1843
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,280
pay too much attention to

1844
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,000
uh like social media postings and stuff

1845
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,920
because you can spend all your time just

1846
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:30,960
fighting with online um and and that

1847
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:34,159
really saps your energy whereas you know

1848
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,800
a lot of us like like me and

1849
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,480
i need to focus on the work i need to

1850
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,040
focus on the day-to-day so i can get

1851
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,600
that out and if people are disappointed

1852
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,679
with it i'm sorry but

1853
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,840
you know uh they're there because they

1854
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,920
appreciate the information

1855
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,360
and the information getting out and

1856
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,360
that's what i need to focus on

1857
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,440
so that it can get out because otherwise

1858
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,480
you know

1859
01:11:16,550 --> 01:10:57,679
i

1860
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,560
uh most of them but there's there's

1861
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,400
still one or two here

1862
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,760
and let me just

1863
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,199
click over

1864
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,719
so

1865
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:24,880
this one comes from blowfish who is one

1866
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:28,080
of our actually it says location indian

1867
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,360
ocean

1868
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:30,960
oh boy

1869
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,480
maybe he's a diego garcia anyway he's

1870
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:36,719
been a long time poster uh going on

1871
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:37,760
seven years

1872
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,880
as opposed to here at foreign

1873
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,199
and he's wondering alejandro

1874
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:44,880
what is your most credible ufo

1875
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,600
eyewitness you you have encountered who

1876
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,560
saw so-called non-human beings

1877
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:51,760
that's

1878
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,600
kind of part one and then uh

1879
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,280
i guess the the other questions actually

1880
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,560
are for um

1881
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,400
uh robert powell so

1882
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,159
we'll just uh ask you that one what's

1883
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,840
what's the most impressive you know

1884
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,080
incredible ufo eyewitness um

1885
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:07,679
to have encountered with so-called

1886
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:11,040
non-human uh beings in your estimation

1887
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:15,920
that's a really really difficult one um

1888
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:18,560
i mean i feel

1889
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,640
travis walton is very credible um

1890
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:25,600
what he experienced who knows really but

1891
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,719
uh

1892
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,480
and i feel more

1893
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,560
uh you know that he and the other

1894
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,679
witnesses

1895
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,560
really saw a craft and that he really

1896
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,960
disappeared for that period of time um

1897
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,880
one of the reasons i believe that is

1898
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:41,440
that i have i've been able to spend a

1899
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,560
lot of time with the other witnesses

1900
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,199
my girlfriend actually put on his 40th

1901
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:49,679
anniversary event and she went

1902
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,400
independently and found witnesses such

1903
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,520
as the first police officer on the scene

1904
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,440
herself and these were people that

1905
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,600
travis nor any of the witnesses had

1906
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,840
spoken with and she spoke with them

1907
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,080
directly and she was concerned too you

1908
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,760
know she was like what if when i talk to

1909
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,440
him they're gonna say you know this was

1910
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,600
all bunk or something but they didn't

1911
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,400
they were all uh we even have we have

1912
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,360
the video actually you can see it on our

1913
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,800
video portal

1914
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,600
but

1915
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,440
where the police officers up there

1916
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,960
talking with them

1917
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,760
and

1918
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,440
this was the first time they had seen

1919
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,840
him since that evening when the whole

1920
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:27,920
thing had originally went down

1921
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so you can see how they react to what he

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has to say and what he has to say and

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they had no idea what he was going to

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say but also the witnesses are not

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friends i mean

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there's been difficulty behind the

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01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,640
scenes and these people aren't these

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01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,800
guys were co-workers they weren't

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01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,800
friends and they don't see eye to eye on

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things so

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there it's not this cohesive group of

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hoaxters

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that that idea just isn't conceivable so

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01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:58,080
that's a good one

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01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:02,239
uh i do like the allagash case too

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01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:03,440
um

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where you know those these people were

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in maine we've got a free kind of mini

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documentary uh well it's 45 minutes up

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01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,760
on our youtube site where you can watch

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01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,000
these witnesses and see for yourself

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01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,560
i've known these guys for a few years

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01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:18,800
now and they've their story has really

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01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,400
been the same all along so uh again

1945
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,800
there has been some difficulty with

1946
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,120
with one of the uh so-called witnesses

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01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,920
um who's come out and recanted um

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01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:31,679
actually about six months ago um eight

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01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,760
months ago but um

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charlie is really believable behind i

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01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,600
really like charlie a lot he didn't

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01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,679
recant here's what he told me because i

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01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,239
i've i've interviewed him directly he

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01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,880
told me because i was uh worried myself

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01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,199
you know he said oh you know he was

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01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,360
alluding that you know he felt that they

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were dishonest or something

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01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,760
um but when i got down to it and i asked

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him pointedly what do you mean what did

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you experience and all of that so chuck

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rack is his name

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he said that yes they did see the object

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they did see the ufo it did fly up at

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them and all of this really did happen

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01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,480
he he just doesn't feel there was

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01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,760
missing time and he did not recall under

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01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:15,679
regression because that's the difficulty

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with both of these cases that the the

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alleged you know entities were recalled

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uh

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under regression and that's the kind of

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01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:26,400
the iffy part

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01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:29,120
um but he said he didn't recall anything

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01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,480
like that uh and his main contention was

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that these guys were religious and he

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felt that religion had you know tainted

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01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,080
their views and and he felt maybe they

1978
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:42,320
were promoting themselves but he did not

1979
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,640
say that he did not think they're lying

1980
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,719
he just didn't have the same experience

1981
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,199
or recollections right okay okay thanks

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01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,120
for the clarification yeah

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01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:52,880
he did come out he did come out though

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um and and and call the whole thing into

1985
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,440
question um that much i remember from

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reading yeah you're right

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01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,760
and he he just is very

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dismissive he obviously doesn't like the

1989
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,520
other guys so

1990
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when you at first you hear them talk

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about them you're like uh oh you know is

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he gonna

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give us some information you know how

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they were they lying but you when you

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ask get into the detail with what he's

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saying

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um he admits he doesn't think they're

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01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,800
not they're real they're lying it's just

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01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,080
that uh

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he doesn't recall those things so

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so oh there's one in every crowd yeah

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yeah we also have many announcements in

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every segment of the paragraphs that we

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have to present we've got gene chris

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and you are listening to the paracast

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that was the ladies man version

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oh yeah we got alejandra rojas of open

2111
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,520
minds in the international ufo congress

2112
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,000
for one more segment and then we will

2113
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,560
segue or jump across

2114
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:39,280
virtual realities to present robert

2115
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,199
powell the director of research for

2116
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:43,760
mufon and talk about his investigations

2117
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,640
into

2118
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,800
key cases guys are there any more

2119
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,320
questions of alejandro before we

2120
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:50,480
progress well i'm really interested

2121
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:51,920
since we're all the way down in the last

2122
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,520
segment i want to hear about

2123
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:55,120
what's happening for this year's

2124
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:56,800
international ufo congress who you have

2125
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,600
on the roster for speaking and uh

2126
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,840
what some of the themes are be really

2127
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,760
good to hear about that i think robert

2128
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:05,679
powell is one of the speakers correct

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01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,320
and

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01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:09,199
our recent new

2131
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,080
guest co-host uh erica luke's i seem to

2132
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,400
recall is speaking who else we got yeah

2133
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,400
erica luksa will be speaking robert

2134
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,400
powell was actually last year we've had

2135
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:19,920
him a couple times because i'm such a

2136
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:22,880
big fan if for some reason somehow

2137
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:26,960
i was in the say at mufon immediately i

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01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,920
would make the scientific board top dog

2139
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,080
everything would have to go through the

2140
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:34,800
scientific board and that would guide

2141
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,440
everything that that mufon does and it

2142
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:40,159
should robert powell i think i just

2143
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,679
think the world of him but yeah he was

2144
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,280
last year

2145
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:45,840
this year uh some of the exciting things

2146
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,400
i'm not i don't agree with every all of

2147
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:50,719
his conclusions but ben hansen is going

2148
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,280
to talk about the presidential ufo

2149
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,080
comment so of course we we had uh

2150
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,239
clinton talk about ufos on jimmy kimmel

2151
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,679
and then obama did and then hillary did

2152
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,360
and then hillary of course has had more

2153
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,520
media appearances talking about uh

2154
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,000
aliens and ufos and ben hansen is going

2155
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:10,320
to do his analysis he did work for the

2156
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:13,920
fbi he he has the caveat that he was not

2157
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:16,880
a it was not his expertise

2158
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,080
he did interview criminals uh and he

2159
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,239
learned from that and was trained in in

2160
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,639
aspects of doing that but the body

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01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,040
language uh parts he was not

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01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,560
particularly trained in but he's been

2163
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,480
working with people who do are

2164
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,080
professionals in that area so he's going

2165
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,480
to share his opinions there and that'll

2166
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,239
be really interesting yeah we've got

2167
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,920
erica that's going to be a lot of fun

2168
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,679
it's her first time this is kind of

2169
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:41,679
interesting too we have this neurologist

2170
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:42,800
i don't know if you've had him a

2171
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,239
neuroscientist his name is bob davis and

2172
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:48,480
he's been investigating abduction the

2173
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:51,520
abduction phenomena he did what kathleen

2174
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,400
martin has done did an inventory of

2175
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,639
witnesses but he says he's spoken to a

2176
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:58,960
lot more and so he's going to be sharing

2177
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,360
his findings and it's just interesting

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01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,120
that someone you know of his stature is

2179
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,040
doing this so it'll be interesting to

2180
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,719
hear what he has to say i don't know if

2181
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,120
you've ever had ryan sprague on the show

2182
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,040
but he's kind of an online favorite when

2183
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,600
it comes to ufos and this will be his

2184
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,360
first lecture i'm excited about it

2185
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,679
because uh he's a really cool dude and i

2186
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:19,920
really like him greg bishop will have

2187
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,320
back i know i think you all

2188
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,960
are fans of his and so am i i don't know

2189
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:26,880
if you've had noice torres on he talks

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about real cowboys and

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aliens you know we've had both uh ruben

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and orion actually yeah a couple times

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great cases paul stonehill talking about

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russia

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david marlar has some more uh insight

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into the battle of la he did some

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investigating and found more information

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and tracked the history of the

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photograph and he's got copies no one's

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ever seen before well so this is going

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to be really important when it comes to

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the battle event david's good researcher

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a little conservative but i do like his

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approach

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very which i appreciate as well

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and then two colonels we're gonna have

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john alexander and charles hall of

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course everybody knows the rendelsham

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case i think it's one of the best no

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doubt but what's interesting about what

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john alexander is going to talk about

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usually people get frustrated but he's

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going to be talking he's going to be one

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of our most fringe speakers believe it

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or not he's going to be talking about

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all of these paranormal experiences that

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happen around ufo sightings cool so uh

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yeah that ought to be really cool

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because people think of him as kind of a

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debunker or something they should dash

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all of those ideas about him we've got

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01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:39,600
ted rowe from narcap another very

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01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:42,320
credible researcher and then james fox

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01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:43,760
is kind of going to be heading up our

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01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:46,560
phoenix lights theme because he'll be

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01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,440
bringing in some witnesses that he's had

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01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,320
on his documentaries who will be coming

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01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,239
on stage to share you know their

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01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,920
experiences with the phoenix lights he's

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01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,000
also going to be showing us footage of

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01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,000
fife symington talking about the phoenix

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01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,560
lights the former governor of arizona he

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was governor at the time uh footage that

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he hasn't shown before

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01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,199
and then this is kind of a weird one uh

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01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:11,360
ken johnston now this is a topic that's

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01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,280
kind of fringe for me when it comes to

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01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:15,920
people seeing like you know evidence of

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01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,960
aliens or stuff like that on mars or the

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moon i personally have not seen a

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01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,520
photograph that is convincing to me

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01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,440
however this is one of the most credible

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01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,840
people out there saying that he does

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01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:30,560
find evidence of that sort his name is

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01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,639
ken johnston he was a trainer for

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01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,520
astronauts he's an aerospace engineer

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01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,600
that has worked with nasa he's retired

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now and he's going to be coming uh and

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01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,239
talking about you know convincing me

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otherwise that you know he does have uh

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photographs that show that sort of thing

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01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:51,679
and then richard dolan has put together

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a

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for us so

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other than that i mentioned kathleen

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martin and yvonne smith they're both

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in abduction researcher they'll be

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01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,920
speaking but kathleen is going to be

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talking about topics somewhat similar to

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john alexander

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and this was a surprise to her as much

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as it will be to everyone else

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john alexander is going to be talking

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01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,239
about his personal experiences for the

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01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,480
most part including a ufo sighting he

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says that's really credible he's never

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talked about before that he had with

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some other paranormal experiences that

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happened

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01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:40,560
but kathleen is going to be talking

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about other phenomena related to ufos

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01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:47,520
and just all kinds of other weird stuff

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01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:51,120
that happens when people uh see ufos and

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01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,800
or to people who purport to be alien

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01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,960
abductees who believe they're they're

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01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,120
doing that sort of thing and then i've

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01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,639
heard a lot of great things about

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jennifer stein's crop circle talk she

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does

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01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,360
she's done this crop circle talk a

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01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,520
couple times and every time i've heard

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people say it's so great it's so great

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01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:11,840
you gotta have it at the congress and uh

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01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,199
so finally we're gonna have jennifer

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stein talking about her crop circle

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research have you seen it chris i know

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01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,520
you you work with her quite a bit you

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01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,040
know i haven't seen that particular

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01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,719
piece no um

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01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,400
i did work with her on it could happen

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tomorrow the disclosure dialogues

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standalone piece

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which uh i won a couple of eb's in 2012

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and of course

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01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,120
her uh last year's big winner which has

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01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:37,440
gone on to win several other

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01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:40,400
film festivals by the way uh taken

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01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,280
uh jen and ron uh

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01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,800
who i worked with on the disclosure

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01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,280
dialogues uh worked on this about the

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01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,920
travis case and it's uh it's it's uh

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01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,280
it's been doing well at other film

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festivals from what i understand

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01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,000
yeah i've seen that she's won quite a

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01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,639
few awards for that film right

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01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,920
which is great that she's bringing

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01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,400
awareness and um

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01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:04,560
she's been at all of these events uh

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that

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and she even credits

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01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,960
karen in the production notes my

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01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,880
girlfriend because uh she was able to

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01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:15,120
interview that police officer i spoke of

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01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:16,800
earlier and some of the other witnesses

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that were brought to the last event so

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01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,600
um

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01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,040
i mentioned that a lot because i'm just

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01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,280
so proud of karen doing that research

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01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:26,800
and finding those witnesses because it

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was really

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these people it was incredible travis's

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brother

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was one of those people who came as well

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and

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it's

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01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:45,760
such a weird case

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01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,679
we're gonna have to wrap it up here with

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01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:49,679
alejandra rojas and we have robert

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01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:50,560
powell

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director of research for mufon

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coming up in our next segment

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alejandro tell our listeners if they

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01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,040
want to get more information about what

2334
01:30:02,270 --> 01:30:01,280
you do where do they go

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01:30:04,830 --> 01:30:02,280
you can go to

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01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,840
ufocongress.com for the conference and

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01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,040
openminds.tv you'll find the conference

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01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:09,520
information and everything else and we

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01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:11,040
do have a video portal there where you

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can watch

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uh ufo congress lectures from the past

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uh on demand there including stuff like

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bob lazar jacques ballet or some of the

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other really cool even this great guy

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chris o'brien who does this amazing talk

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on cattle mutilation uh all there at the

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video portal at openminds.tv

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alejandro thanks for joining us in the

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power cast

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all right thank you

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so for part two of the show

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we have robert powell he is director of

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research for mufon

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and he if you look at the bio we have in

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our forums has done an awful lot of

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really

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deep research into a number of cases

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including stephenville texas of course

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and others

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and i want to talk to you about robert

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first of all is a case that came to us

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from this huffington post article

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01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:47,520
written by leslie kane

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01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,040
about something that happened i guess a

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couple and a half years ago

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01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,560
in chile

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01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:54,400
and this is kind of a controversial case

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01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,280
because

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it sounded fascinating and then we had

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01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,360
the skeptics jumping in saying it was

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01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:00,880
really explained

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01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:03,679
conventionally what happened well as

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01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,320
always the skeptics jump in and a lot of

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01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:08,560
times the problem there is they don't

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01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:11,280
always analyze it in a fashion where

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01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,600
it's easy to follow what they do what i

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01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:15,840
like to do is actually analyze it right

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01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:18,320
at the full report and then release it

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01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,199
rather than try to uh releasing

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01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,320
bits and pieces of analysis on the fly

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01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,400
and that's kind of what happened in the

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chilean case

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01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:30,080
leslie released that

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01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:33,040
and various people immediately of course

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01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:34,159
wanted to

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01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:37,199
debunk it i contacted her because of my

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interest in the case because it's

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01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,560
the equipment used was the same

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01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:44,639
equipment that was used or very similar

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01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,080
equipment to what was used in a ir case

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that occurred in puerto rico

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and so that drew my interest and there

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01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,760
was

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01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:55,440
uh you know some similarities there and

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01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,560
i was already familiar with the

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01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,800
equipment so i wanted to take a look at

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01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,719
it now can you be

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01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,480
more specific about

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01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,000
what kind of equipment we're talking

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01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:06,320
about and the similarities if any in the

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01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:07,840
sightings themselves

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01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:10,560
the equipment is a westcam

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01:37:15,390 --> 01:37:13,040
uh system made by a company west came in

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01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:15,400
canada this is called the

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01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:20,239
mx-15 system and it's basically about a

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01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:23,440
quarter million dollar system a military

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01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:26,880
grade it's cooled with liquid nitrogen

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01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:29,440
uh it runs in what's called the

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01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,760
mid-range ir which is three to five

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01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:33,360
microns

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01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,040
and it's it's a very high quality uh

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01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,960
system there was

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01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:40,960
it's it's hard to say when you first see

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01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,600
a video if it's exactly the same for

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01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,440
example as the video we had in puerto

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01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,280
rico but

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01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,159
there were some similarities in terms of

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01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:52,880
the appearance but most importantly

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01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,639
i was very interested because we

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01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:56,080
actually had

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01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,280
a military government who provided a

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01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:01,199
high quality video

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01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,960
okay so this is a

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01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:05,119
purported ufo

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01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,000
what

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01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,000
do you see when you look at this video

2537
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,639
from the chilean authorities

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01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:11,679
well

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01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:14,080
the the very first thing that i looked

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01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,840
at was the information on the video

2541
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,239
match up with what we know was happening

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01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,199
so i talked to leslie and received

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01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,440
permission from the chileans to attack

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01:38:29,189 --> 01:38:27,600
to have some of their radar data

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01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,199
and so the first thing i do is i

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01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:30,880
correlate

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01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:33,440
time and location between what the radar

2548
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:36,560
says and what the video camera says

2549
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:39,440
because it gives you latitude longitude

2550
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,159
of the hell in this case a helicopter

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01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:44,480
that has the ir system and those matched

2552
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:45,920
up perfectly

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01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:48,560
in terms of time and space

2554
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,360
so

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01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:52,000
uh we knew at that point i knew that the

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01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,360
video

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01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,760
was accurate in the information it was

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01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,159
displaying

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01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:59,840
okay so what do we see what are we

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01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,119
looking at

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01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,840
what makes what we think this is strange

2562
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,239
something that might be anomalous

2563
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,560
the strangest part of the object because

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01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,400
initially you just see an object which

2565
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:12,480
is it's two hot spots and it doesn't

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01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:14,320
appear to be moving much

2567
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:17,440
and then you see a a hot tail being

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01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:19,760
emitted by the object

2569
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:22,880
and it's it's that hot tail emission

2570
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:25,520
that really kind of draws your attention

2571
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,080
to this particular infrared video

2572
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:30,400
because it's like well you know what

2573
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:34,000
exactly is this object emitting

2574
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:37,119
now as we looked into it

2575
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:40,719
um we don't know absolutely yet but

2576
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:42,880
there's a it looks

2577
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,520
at this point in time that it could be

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01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:47,920
a commercial aircraft

2579
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:51,520
that this uh ir system was locked onto

2580
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:54,960
which was about 40 miles away and that

2581
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:56,560
this could be

2582
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,320
the uh basically the contrail that this

2583
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,320
jet would have been

2584
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:05,360
emitting as it hit certain altitudes

2585
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,199
but i just want to say gene we don't

2586
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,280
know that absolutely yet we're still

2587
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,119
looking into it

2588
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,520
but that's just a preliminary

2589
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,520
uh result

2590
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,679
what was there about

2591
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:19,840
the video that made people think it

2592
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,679
might be something that wasn't

2593
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:23,280
conventional

2594
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:25,600
i think the key thing that made people

2595
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,560
think it

2596
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,280
might be something non-conventional was

2597
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,199
this uh heated

2598
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,280
material that was being when you look at

2599
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:35,440
the video you see this

2600
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:38,080
black is hot on this video so you see

2601
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,920
the object which it's black so it's

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01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:42,560
indicating the object's hot and you see

2603
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:45,440
two circular areas near each other right

2604
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:48,400
so it's kind of an unusual looking shape

2605
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,040
and then later in the video you see

2606
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:53,840
a large black mass being emitted by the

2607
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,880
object

2608
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,520
and then it continues a little longer

2609
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,440
and the object in that black mass

2610
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,520
separate then you see a second black

2611
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,520
mass being emitted

2612
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:05,280
uh so those are all

2613
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:08,080
strange when you first look at them

2614
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:10,000
as a background here this case occurred

2615
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:13,520
in 2014 can you give us a brief overview

2616
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:15,679
of the sighting

2617
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,639
sure

2618
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:18,560
this sighting was made actually in a

2619
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:22,239
helicopter by two chilean navy pilots

2620
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:23,280
and

2621
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:25,280
they initially

2622
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:28,639
uh recorded this they they had their own

2623
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:31,600
uh job at the time in terms of a task

2624
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,280
they're performing for the navy so it's

2625
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,520
not like they could you know leave their

2626
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,480
tasks and go chase this object so

2627
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:40,320
they simply recorded it while they were

2628
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,480
doing some of their work

2629
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:44,400
and then later

2630
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:45,920
because of the strange looking they

2631
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:47,840
submitted it to

2632
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,840
this chilean organization the ce faa

2633
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,000
which is tied in to

2634
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,800
what you might call in the u.s our faa

2635
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,159
organization

2636
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,800
so it's tied into their national

2637
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:02,719
aeronautical board

2638
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:03,679
and

2639
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:07,840
those guys began analyze it analyzing it

2640
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:10,480
they obtained radar data from their navy

2641
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:13,199
uh also from the commercial

2642
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:14,800
radar system

2643
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,920
and they also obtained information from

2644
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:20,080
the navy pilots

2645
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:22,080
and what the chileans did is they'd have

2646
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,840
various meetings and sit down and

2647
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,920
discuss what this might be or what it

2648
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,520
might not be

2649
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:29,840
and you know they looked at it off and

2650
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:32,320
on over the course of about

2651
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:34,239
probably a year

2652
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:35,679
yeah robert

2653
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,639
goggs here i've seen the video

2654
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:41,440
and could you make any determination as

2655
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:44,960
to whether the object whatever it was

2656
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:45,840
was

2657
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:48,639
going away from the observer or toward

2658
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,280
the observer as it was going i think

2659
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:53,920
right to left leaving that kind of hot

2660
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:55,119
trail

2661
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,960
i couldn't work out what

2662
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:59,040
what direction it was headed

2663
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:01,760
okay i had an advantage

2664
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,840
in that i had access to the radar data

2665
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:07,920
but in terms of just looking at the

2666
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:09,840
video

2667
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,480
what you can see is that the size of the

2668
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:13,840
object

2669
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:17,199
is almost cuts in half over the course

2670
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:21,199
of about three or four minutes

2671
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,159
and

2672
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:24,480
that's an indication that the object is

2673
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:28,080
moving away from the camera because of

2674
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:33,350
and

2675
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:36,880
one thing we did is

2676
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:41,119
we looked at the actual angular size of

2677
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,880
the object

2678
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,760
and then i looked at the radar data and

2679
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:48,320
looked at the distance of this

2680
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:50,840
particular aircraft to the navy

2681
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:54,960
helicopter at the time that the sizes of

2682
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,760
the object and the video changes so that

2683
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:59,679
tells me okay here's the distance here's

2684
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,560
how much

2685
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,880
uh distance has changed

2686
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:04,800
and here's an object

2687
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:07,280
and then what i did is calculate okay

2688
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,400
about

2689
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:10,320
how much size in the video would i

2690
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,679
expect for a decrease if it was this

2691
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:15,360
commercial aircraft

2692
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,040
and i got roughly a 50 decrease which is

2693
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:21,840
what's seen on the video and what's seen

2694
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:23,199
on radar

2695
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,280
parenthetically here what's unusual

2696
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,880
about this to me

2697
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,719
is the fact that this comes out at all

2698
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:31,600
because the us navy if it had made a

2699
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,040
video of a possible ufo you'd never see

2700
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:36,800
it but it does appear here that the

2701
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:40,000
authorities in chile at least are far

2702
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,920
more forthcoming

2703
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:43,280
about

2704
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:45,199
letting such data out you know we're

2705
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:46,480
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

2766
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2767
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:07,420
and now here's gene steinberg

2768
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,790
so we're talking to robert powell about

2769
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,560
this chilean

2770
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:16,400
navy sighting

2771
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:17,760
a video

2772
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,280
and i have a question

2773
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:21,840
sure because you did have

2774
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:23,600
uh proximity data

2775
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:26,320
between the helicopter and the object

2776
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,760
what was the size of the object

2777
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:29,280
determined to be

2778
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,400
the the calculated size of the object

2779
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,320
that i came up with with

2780
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:36,800
is really based on the distance so when

2781
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:38,719
i answer your question

2782
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:41,600
it depends on how far away the object is

2783
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,960
so if

2784
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,239
the object

2785
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:46,480
is the commercial aircraft

2786
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:49,600
an iberia flight that we see on radar

2787
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:52,480
then the object

2788
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:55,760
based on the video would be at 200 feet

2789
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:58,560
in size which matches up with the

2790
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:01,600
approximate size of a commercial

2791
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:03,440
airliner

2792
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,280
now what's very interesting here is the

2793
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:07,520
skeptics jumped on this immediately as

2794
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,440
soon as the huffington post story came

2795
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,360
out from leslie

2796
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,119
what was going on there what were they

2797
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,159
claiming well of course anytime you you

2798
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:18,960
get an exciting interesting ufo report

2799
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,119
the skeptics you know i don't even use

2800
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,280
the word skeptics gene because skip i'm

2801
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,239
a skeptic you're always skeptical

2802
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:28,400
when you first look at something but i

2803
01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:31,119
think of them more as debunkers because

2804
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:33,679
they have a specific

2805
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:35,360
thought in mind before they look at

2806
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,280
something in other words they've already

2807
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,080
decided what this must be

2808
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,719
and so then they they go about uh trying

2809
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:44,400
to establish that

2810
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:46,000
so um

2811
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,840
if you look at some of their various

2812
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,199
sites

2813
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:52,000
it's it's done on blogs or social media

2814
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:54,239
and it's very difficult to follow

2815
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,800
the reasoning and how they're doing

2816
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,880
their analysis because it jumps around

2817
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,800
in chronological order

2818
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,119
there it's it's not like a science

2819
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,760
report where you start at the beginning

2820
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:07,360
and you go through you know what

2821
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:10,560
something is or is not and then run

2822
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:11,920
through everything

2823
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,800
clearly so anyone can follow what's

2824
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,000
being done

2825
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,719
and most of these debunker

2826
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,840
cases

2827
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,920
it's kind of a hodgepodge

2828
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:23,679
of the way they approach something in

2829
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:26,159
this particular case for example there

2830
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,520
was one

2831
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:29,600
person on a blog and it started off

2832
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:32,080
saying oh i think it's this airplane no

2833
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:33,920
after looking at this and i've decided

2834
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,239
it's this airplane i think maybe it's

2835
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,400
both their planes and now now i'm going

2836
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:40,719
back to saying it's this airplane

2837
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:43,600
so it's very difficult to follow

2838
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,880
was there anything unusual about

2839
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:49,280
the fact that if i remember correctly

2840
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,639
because i'm not sure if i've seen the

2841
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:52,719
whole video but maybe highlights i seem

2842
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,800
to remember that the object apparently

2843
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:59,520
created this hot trail

2844
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:01,840
then the trail stopped the object

2845
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:04,400
carried on moving and then the trail

2846
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,080
continued

2847
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:08,560
but i couldn't really tell as to whether

2848
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:12,000
the plane had decreased much in altitude

2849
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:13,520
between the two

2850
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,159
positions and i i was unsure as to

2851
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:18,159
whether the the the

2852
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:21,199
chileans were uh moving themselves when

2853
01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:22,320
filming

2854
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,600
would that be behavior consistent with

2855
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:28,320
the exhaust of a normal jet that it may

2856
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:31,360
go through you know different pressure

2857
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:34,159
areas or whatever and you know sometimes

2858
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,440
it emits a lot of hot exhaust and then

2859
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:39,280
not because it makes me think of like

2860
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,800
yeah uh you know an f-15 pilot could put

2861
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,480
on the afterburners and that's gonna

2862
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,159
have a big difference to the heat out

2863
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,719
the back but i'm not too sure as to why

2864
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:50,400
there would be such a radical difference

2865
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:53,520
of black trail very hot nothing for a

2866
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,119
while black trail again is that

2867
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,080
consistent with normal aircraft well

2868
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,560
that's a good question cogs i mean

2869
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:03,040
when i've seen uh contrails right i'm

2870
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:04,639
normally i'm looking at it in the

2871
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:05,840
visible

2872
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,239
and you know sometimes you can see an

2873
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,960
aircraft where you get a contrail

2874
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,040
that's clear the contrail disappears for

2875
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,360
a while and then the contrail picks back

2876
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:17,760
up again i've seen that

2877
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,760
the question here which is kind of what

2878
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:21,520
you have alluded to

2879
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:22,400
is

2880
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:24,960
what would it look like in the ir and

2881
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,360
why would it be generating heat

2882
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:30,320
i have not seen what a plane's contrail

2883
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:32,400
looks like in the ir

2884
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,199
and so far i have not found

2885
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:37,760
a good example where someone has

2886
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:39,199
photographed

2887
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,239
a plane with a contrail at high altitude

2888
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:44,639
in the ir there's got to be one

2889
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:46,639
somewhere but that's one of the things

2890
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:49,199
that i'm looking for in doing this

2891
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,280
analysis because

2892
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:53,520
we can theorize right that

2893
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,400
when the contrail comes out

2894
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:58,560
that you have ice formation which is

2895
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,960
what allows you to see it and as the

2896
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:03,040
water freezes when water freezes it

2897
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,000
generates a little bit of heat around it

2898
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:08,320
um now whether or not

2899
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,880
that would generate the type of darkness

2900
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,280
that we see in the video

2901
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:15,040
at this point in time you know we're

2902
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,639
just speculating

2903
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:18,239
so that's something that needs to be

2904
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:19,119
done

2905
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,480
before we

2906
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,119
conclusively say that you know this

2907
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:25,679
object is a commercial jet

2908
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:27,040
yeah because you would you would think

2909
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:30,239
that the the pilot and the um the

2910
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,040
flower operator if they're using this

2911
01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:35,760
equipment regularly they must

2912
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:36,639
you know

2913
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:37,599
film

2914
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:40,239
normal aircraft and helicopters and what

2915
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,840
anything that's got in the air that's

2916
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:43,280
got an exhaust

2917
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:45,760
they must be filming these um

2918
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,719
you know

2919
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,960
quite numerous times and maybe at

2920
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:50,719
different altitudes and distances and

2921
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:53,599
stuff and i wonder if maybe that was

2922
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:56,560
part of why it interested them because

2923
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,159
i'm sure it occurred to them they may

2924
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:00,560
just be looking at a kind of uh at a

2925
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,679
rare angle at a plane going away from

2926
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,360
them that

2927
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:07,920
i don't know is maybe accelerating at

2928
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:11,199
one point or whatever and that's why the

2929
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,719
exhaust is hotter and then stops

2930
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,239
whatever but maybe there was something

2931
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,239
in it that ticked them off that this

2932
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:18,480
isn't quite normal because it doesn't

2933
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,840
seem to be a gradation of temperature it

2934
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:23,280
seems to be

2935
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:25,840
kind of just in terms of visually

2936
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:27,520
constant temperature

2937
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,080
stops for a while and then kind of comes

2938
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:33,040
back at that temperature and

2939
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:35,199
i'm no expert at all but i would have

2940
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:36,800
thought with normal aircraft you know

2941
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:39,440
it's not like you cut the engines at all

2942
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,119
you're going to have to keep pushing the

2943
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:43,840
matter what you may reduce the throttle

2944
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:45,520
um but you would still think it's going

2945
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:48,800
to be pumping out noticeable heat

2946
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:49,599
right

2947
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:51,920
your thought their gogs is exactly the

2948
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:54,639
same as mine as i analyze this you know

2949
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:55,920
why would

2950
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,400
these navy pilots who have to be seen

2951
01:55:04,310 --> 01:55:00,400
with their ir system

2952
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:04,320
jets with contrails all the time right

2953
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:05,280
why

2954
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:06,480
did they

2955
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:08,960
not suspect that was the case

2956
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:09,920
and

2957
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:12,159
i always give them the benefit of the

2958
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:15,520
doubt right i have to assume because

2959
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,199
it's logical to think these guys should

2960
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:19,280
know what they're looking at right

2961
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,080
that

2962
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:22,000
i'm not willing to say okay this was

2963
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:25,199
absolutely a commercial jet until

2964
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,440
i complete the analysis

2965
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:29,920
well debunkers right their goal is just

2966
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:31,199
to prove

2967
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:33,760
that you know this is something not a

2968
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:36,400
you know not an unidentified object

2969
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,599
so

2970
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:40,000
they don't even take into account or

2971
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:41,760
even discuss well

2972
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,000
don't these navy pilots see this all the

2973
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,040
time i mean i think you have to give

2974
01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:49,840
witnesses a certain amount of

2975
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:52,639
credence before you just automatically

2976
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,679
assume

2977
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:55,760
you know that they're incorrect

2978
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:58,400
so in short it's basically saying

2979
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,719
it is unreal

2980
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:02,480
it is conventional

2981
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:04,719
now prove me wrong

2982
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,520
right yeah that's that's kind of the way

2983
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:09,520
they look at it when they analyze it

2984
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:11,520
rather than just saying okay let me go

2985
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:13,440
through a step by step

2986
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,880
procedure

2987
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,040
and analyze what's happened

2988
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:19,840
and look at all aspects of it

2989
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:22,480
in that extent the skeptics have learned

2990
01:56:24,790 --> 01:56:23,840
nothing

2991
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:24,800
from

2992
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,080
that approach taken by dr donald menzel

2993
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:29,760
in the 50s

2994
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:31,280
you know he was doing the same thing he

2995
01:56:36,550 --> 01:56:33,599
was saying well it's a mirage it's this

2996
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,560
and maybe he'll look at the facts

2997
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:38,880
oh exactly a mental was

2998
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:41,199
one of the worst

2999
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,599
i once saw him on a tv show by the way

3000
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:45,360
called open mind

3001
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:47,599
no relation to open minds the current

3002
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:48,880
site

3003
01:56:54,149 --> 01:56:52,800
and he came on there with john g fuller

3004
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:54,159
and i think they were talking about

3005
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:56,800
incident at exeter and was clear that

3006
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:59,280
menzel knew nothing about the case you

3007
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,239
probably

3008
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,560
download the video or the audio

3009
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and fuller

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would be discussing specific parts of

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the case and menzel would be talking in

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generalities knowing nothing about it

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and at one point

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he just looked totally confused totally

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befuddled

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like he barely knew he was there

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and i guess at the time

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my friends and i joked that he had kind

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of an alzheimer's moment

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because he was quite an old guy as a

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result but that's a story we don't have

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hi there i'm bob eubanks you know as

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part of hollywood for a long time i've

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seen my fair share of celebrities get in

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trouble with the irs well there's one

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name i trust the tax defense group

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they're the most trusted name in tax so

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if you owe more than ten thousand

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dollars to the irs you really need to

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call my friends at the tax defense group

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ignoring the irs is not the solution

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business but the tax defense group could

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my apartment all things with obstructed

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views add to these large trucks and

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buses

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blind spots and like my apartment they

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don't always have the best view

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bus and truck drivers deal with blind

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spots around the entire vehicle

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always take care not to ride alongside

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or too close behind them

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our roads our responsibility learn more

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we'd like to hear from you if you have a

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comment or question about the paracast

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send it to news at theparacast.com

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that's news at theparacast.com

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and don't forget to visit our famous

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so we continue with robert powell

3134
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:16,000
now when you compare the chilean

3135
02:02:22,229 --> 02:02:19,199
navy video you're talking about

3136
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:22,239
a video using the same kind of equipment

3137
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:25,679
in puerto rico was it 2013 right

3138
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:27,840
yes correct can you tell us about that

3139
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:28,719
case

3140
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:31,280
uh yes i can and i'd like to start off

3141
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:33,520
gene by saying something you mentioned a

3142
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:36,480
little bit earlier during this broadcast

3143
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:39,119
the chileans were open to providing

3144
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:41,760
their information so that we have it

3145
02:02:46,229 --> 02:02:43,840
that's totally opposite of what happens

3146
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:46,239
in the united states right for example

3147
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:48,320
in the case of the puerto rican

3148
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:49,679
video

3149
02:02:57,030 --> 02:02:53,599
source

3150
02:02:58,550 --> 02:02:57,040
who was part of homeland security but

3151
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:58,560
did not want

3152
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:00,480
his name release because

3153
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:03,360
he didn't want it to affect his job

3154
02:03:08,950 --> 02:03:05,920
we asked for radar data

3155
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:08,960
and we actually were able to get it

3156
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:11,920
from an faa site

3157
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:14,320
but we can't get radar data from the

3158
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:16,000
military site

3159
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:18,239
so that's not available

3160
02:03:22,950 --> 02:03:20,560
you can't get the military to really

3161
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:22,960
comment on the video one way or another

3162
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:26,400
so that's different from the chileans

3163
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:28,560
the whole process

3164
02:03:35,510 --> 02:03:29,440
i

3165
02:03:38,709 --> 02:03:35,520
because

3166
02:03:39,750 --> 02:03:38,719
we don't get that type of cooperation

3167
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:39,760
um

3168
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:42,960
with the government on any type of ufo

3169
02:03:46,709 --> 02:03:44,800
incident

3170
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:46,719
of course officially the government does

3171
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:49,360
not investigate ufos anymore

3172
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,159
correct they don't investigate it but by

3173
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:54,880
the freedom of information act

3174
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:56,719
they are required to provide us

3175
02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:58,000
information

3176
02:04:01,910 --> 02:04:00,080
uh which is for the benefit of the

3177
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:01,920
public you know

3178
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:04,239
when we uh request it

3179
02:04:08,790 --> 02:04:06,560
but it's very difficult to get them to

3180
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:08,800
provide for example

3181
02:04:13,990 --> 02:04:11,119
a gun camera view

3182
02:04:16,310 --> 02:04:14,000
of an object that you're trying to get

3183
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:16,320
and it's not that's a national security

3184
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:18,480
issue right i mean i'm just we're not

3185
02:04:24,070 --> 02:04:21,040
asking them to provide gun camera view

3186
02:04:26,709 --> 02:04:24,080
of a soviet mig as they fly near one

3187
02:04:28,709 --> 02:04:26,719
we're just asking for gun camera view

3188
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:28,719
of things that occur within the

3189
02:04:31,669 --> 02:04:30,800
continental united states most of the

3190
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:31,679
time

3191
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:33,599
and it's next to impossible to get any

3192
02:04:38,550 --> 02:04:34,960
of that

3193
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:38,560
with the puerto rican case is it known

3194
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:41,760
who was taking the footage uh what kind

3195
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:44,000
of uh aircraft or

3196
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:46,800
station and and what what they may have

3197
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:48,800
originally been tasked with because just

3198
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:51,280
just being a viewer seeing that footage

3199
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:53,679
it struck me that it's it's quite a

3200
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:56,400
prolonged kind of um

3201
02:05:01,589 --> 02:05:00,000
shot and it's so obvious that the

3202
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:01,599
operator is

3203
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:03,520
you know this has caught his attention

3204
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:05,520
and he's he's homed in on it because he

3205
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:09,520
he goes through several pans and zooms

3206
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:12,560
and um you know follows this thing for

3207
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:13,920
quite a while

3208
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:16,239
as if it completely took his attention

3209
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:19,040
away from what he might have been doing

3210
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,199
prior uh he could have just been free

3211
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:22,960
time you know time in this looking at

3212
02:05:28,870 --> 02:05:26,159
this but again it kind of looks as if

3213
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:28,880
whoever was filming this originally

3214
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:30,560
they thought this is strange i'm going

3215
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:32,400
to pursue this because

3216
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:34,320
again you would think they would be

3217
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:36,639
familiar with the heat signature maybe

3218
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,360
of

3219
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:39,280
birds balloons

3220
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:42,639
what small aircraft whatever and this

3221
02:05:47,910 --> 02:05:45,920
this is the one in which the the objects

3222
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:47,920
appears to go into the water and come

3223
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:49,840
out again is that correct

3224
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:52,560
yes it's the the most amazing part about

3225
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,800
it is how it goes into the water with

3226
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:56,960
very little movement in the water we can

3227
02:06:01,030 --> 02:06:00,000
detect very slightly almost none

3228
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:01,040
and then

3229
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:03,599
it comes out of the water still

3230
02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:06,000
at considerably high speed

3231
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,159
uh by high speed i'm talking about 50 to

3232
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:10,400
60 miles an hour as it moves out of the

3233
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:12,639
water and the most amazing thing the

3234
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:15,040
video is where the object splits in half

3235
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:17,920
and we we went and analyzed that

3236
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:20,719
in very deep uh detail

3237
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:22,960
so that's probably the most spectacular

3238
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,960
part of that video

3239
02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:26,960
have you finished your analysis on the

3240
02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:28,719
puerto rican case and what did you

3241
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:31,840
conclude just like it was an unknown or

3242
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:34,480
well we're still analyzing the puerto

3243
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:36,560
rico case because every once while we

3244
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:39,599
get new information we had a

3245
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:42,639
a technician who works on this exact ir

3246
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:44,800
system contact us

3247
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:47,920
and ask us about the video

3248
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:50,400
because he took this video

3249
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:53,119
and he and the technicians that he works

3250
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,920
with

3251
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:56,400
they actually calibrate and repair these

3252
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:59,040
exact systems for homeland security and

3253
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:00,880
all these guys looked at it and they

3254
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:03,760
said they had no idea what this object

3255
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:04,960
was

3256
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:06,480
we spent

3257
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:08,880
a year and a half

3258
02:07:12,709 --> 02:07:11,360
analyzing that video before we finally

3259
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:12,719
released it

3260
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:15,360
and the very first thing we did because

3261
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:17,760
right this was an anonymous source i

3262
02:07:21,430 --> 02:07:19,679
mean we know that

3263
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:21,440
the name of the source

3264
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:23,280
but the very first thing we did was okay

3265
02:07:28,149 --> 02:07:26,079
let's verify this video is real because

3266
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:28,159
today you know there's so much you can

3267
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:29,679
do with uh

3268
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:31,760
computer graphics and everything it i

3269
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:33,440
mean it seemed real but we wanted to

3270
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:35,840
double check so once we got the radar

3271
02:07:41,189 --> 02:07:38,320
data we did the same thing that i did on

3272
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:41,199
this chilean video

3273
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:43,760
we ver we actually picked up the

3274
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:46,880
homeland security flight on the radar so

3275
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:49,760
we knew that pilot was there just like

3276
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:51,280
they said they were

3277
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:53,440
and we verified its location which

3278
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:55,760
matched up with what you see on the

3279
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:57,520
video because the video tells you the

3280
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:59,280
location of the homeland security

3281
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:02,159
aircraft is it's flying around puerto

3282
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:03,119
rico

3283
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:05,040
were there any ground witnesses

3284
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:06,719
eyewitnesses

3285
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:09,840
no there were no other than the only

3286
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witnesses

3287
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were the uh

3288
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pilots and the men on the aircraft

3289
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and then according to them

3290
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the control tower

3291
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:24,079
was also a witness because they saw the

3292
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red light that the object was initially

3293
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:27,840
emitting

3294
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:29,679
when it was coming in towards puerto

3295
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:30,639
rico

3296
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:32,159
the other thing we know

3297
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:37,280
that kind of verifies what this pilot uh

3298
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:39,119
told us was that

3299
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:41,440
the control tower stopped any flights

3300
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,040
coming in and out because they had an

3301
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:45,599
object approaching the island

3302
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:48,079
and it did not have a transponder which

3303
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means it you know and it's not signaling

3304
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:51,520
to the tower

3305
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:53,440
so to be you know that i think that's

3306
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pretty standard operation then they they

3307
02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:57,920
shut down planes leaving

3308
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and landing now this airport doesn't

3309
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have a lot of aircraft but we were able

3310
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to determine

3311
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that there was a fedex plane whose

3312
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flight out was delayed during this same

3313
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,719
time frame so that kind of matches in

3314
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:14,880
with what this pilot

3315
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:16,719
is telling us

3316
02:09:20,629 --> 02:09:19,280
we also and this kind of goes back to

3317
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trying to get information from the

3318
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government right

3319
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we contacted the faa and we asked for

3320
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the control tower logs

3321
02:09:31,990 --> 02:09:29,360
well they replied back uh we don't have

3322
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control of those we we

3323
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:34,880
hired that out to a private company

3324
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which is called robinson aviation and

3325
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it's headquartered in memphis tennessee

3326
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and of course when you try to contact

3327
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them they don't respond and they don't

3328
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have to because

3329
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not being a government organization they

3330
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are not required to answer for your

3331
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:53,760
requests so that's another way that our

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government organizations get around

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having to answer a foia simply by

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hiring a a private company to handle

3335
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their information

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i'm going to ask you robert to respond

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the next segment here whether it's

3338
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:11,760
possible that if there's a ufo secret it

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has been sent out to private industry so

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the governments can use plausible

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deniability saying we don't investigate

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ufos we have no information to offer

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because

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they pushed it off somewhere else we've

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got more to come with robert powell and

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gene chris and goggs you're in the

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[Applause]

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3459
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listening to the paracast the gold

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so robert powell we have two more

3461
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:15,199
seconds to spend with you on this week's

3462
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:16,960
episode the power cast

3463
02:15:21,990 --> 02:15:19,440
my question there about funneling

3464
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:22,000
critical ufo information stuff that may

3465
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:23,040
have

3466
02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:24,000
some

3467
02:15:28,069 --> 02:15:26,639
significance off the private industry

3468
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:28,079
somewhere so

3469
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:30,880
the government is out of the business

3470
02:15:35,830 --> 02:15:33,760
yeah that's that's a good question gene

3471
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:35,840
my experience with the government is

3472
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:37,599
most of the time

3473
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:40,079
the most common response i get them from

3474
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:41,199
them is

3475
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:44,880
we have no information responsive to

3476
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:47,360
your request which basically when you

3477
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:49,040
think about that what does that mean we

3478
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:52,159
have no information responsive to your

3479
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:53,280
request

3480
02:15:57,030 --> 02:15:55,199
so they're basically just saying we

3481
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:57,040
don't want to tell you anything and the

3482
02:16:01,109 --> 02:15:59,520
word responsive to your request is so

3483
02:16:02,229 --> 02:16:01,119
ambiguous

3484
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:02,239
exactly

3485
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:03,679
you know when you see that same

3486
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:05,599
statement come from multiple government

3487
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:08,880
agencies it becomes very clear

3488
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:10,800
that an attorney that works for them

3489
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:13,040
drew that up and someone has given

3490
02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:16,880
multiple agencies that line to use in

3491
02:16:22,550 --> 02:16:20,239
their freedom of information act reply

3492
02:16:24,229 --> 02:16:22,560
because that's not just coincidence

3493
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:24,239
your question i

3494
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:25,119
um

3495
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:29,040
i suspect that there probably are some

3496
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:29,920
you know

3497
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:30,800
large

3498
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,319
military military-industrial type

3499
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complex

3500
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:34,719
areas

3501
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,559
where industry may investigate ufos

3502
02:16:42,309 --> 02:16:40,479
instead of the government and i mean

3503
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:42,319
historically that has happened with

3504
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:43,599
battelle

3505
02:16:48,150 --> 02:16:45,679
and lincoln labs

3506
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:48,160
so how do you actually uncover a secret

3507
02:16:51,990 --> 02:16:49,200
then

3508
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:52,000
the ones i've seen uncovered on freedom

3509
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:54,719
of information act requests

3510
02:16:58,870 --> 02:16:56,399
usually occur

3511
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:58,880
because someone just makes a mistake and

3512
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:01,280
accidentally releases a document

3513
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:04,080
that's one way it happens the second way

3514
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:06,719
that sometimes it will occur

3515
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:09,760
is if someone pushes

3516
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:12,719
the government on a particular request

3517
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,439
and to do that your first act is to

3518
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:17,280
basically

3519
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,760
appeal to the head organization and of

3520
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:22,160
course they they will deny

3521
02:17:25,589 --> 02:17:24,559
your request just like the initial

3522
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:25,599
request

3523
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:27,760
so then your last option is to take it

3524
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:29,920
to federal court and sue for the

3525
02:17:33,509 --> 02:17:31,280
information

3526
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:33,519
and that's an expensive procedure unless

3527
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you get you know an attorney who will do

3528
02:17:40,469 --> 02:17:37,840
it pro bono

3529
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:40,479
but there has been some success on

3530
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,280
occasion using that round is that what

3531
02:17:48,070 --> 02:17:46,000
just happened with the release of the um

3532
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:48,080
all those cia files

3533
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:50,559
that someone took it to court to force

3534
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:52,479
them to release them

3535
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:55,040
yes that's correct dogs that has just

3536
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:58,000
happened i don't recall the name of the

3537
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:01,359
organization that did it and actually

3538
02:18:06,629 --> 02:18:04,399
that's on my list of things to do is to

3539
02:18:09,190 --> 02:18:06,639
see what new cia documents have been

3540
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:09,200
released because of that yeah did the

3541
02:18:13,910 --> 02:18:11,519
going back to the puerto rico case uh

3542
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:13,920
quickly can you remember what what was

3543
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:16,639
the let's say what was the best that the

3544
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:19,840
debunkers could come up with for their

3545
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:22,160
explanations i'm sure i heard

3546
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:25,120
birds and chinese lanterns

3547
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:26,000
which

3548
02:18:30,389 --> 02:18:28,319
both of them kind of don't really fly in

3549
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:30,399
terms of as you were saying especially

3550
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:33,200
going in the water because any animal we

3551
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:35,359
know that can go from the sky into the

3552
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:37,840
water they're usually going to stop

3553
02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:40,080
their forward speed maybe dive down or

3554
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:41,840
whatever but bottom line is when they

3555
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:43,439
come back up to the surface they're

3556
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:45,840
having to start from scratch again not

3557
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:49,359
to kind of exit the water at 50 miles an

3558
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:52,559
hour or whatever you said it was so the

3559
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:55,519
explanations that i heard from debunkers

3560
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:57,359
didn't fit with me what do you think

3561
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,639
about that

3562
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:00,880
no i agree and

3563
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:03,519
one thing we we've asked debunkers if if

3564
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:06,000
if you have an argument as to what is to

3565
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:08,639
that explains what this is write up a

3566
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:11,519
report and you know publish it we've

3567
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:13,359
asked that for a year and a half now

3568
02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:14,719
because that's what we did we wrote a

3569
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:16,479
report published

3570
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:20,000
that has yet to be done by the debunkers

3571
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,880
what

3572
02:19:24,309 --> 02:19:22,559
one of their favorite arguments was

3573
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:24,319
right because you see this object go

3574
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:25,920
into the water

3575
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:28,960
is well it didn't really go into the

3576
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:31,120
water it went into the clouds and it

3577
02:19:36,070 --> 02:19:33,200
just disappeared

3578
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:36,080
so of course the response that we had is

3579
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:37,120
really

3580
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:39,840
so why does the camera

3581
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:42,719
allow the object to disappear but the

3582
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:45,519
waves in the ocean have not disappeared

3583
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:47,359
right i mean my camera can't make one

3584
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:48,960
object disappear

3585
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:51,439
while the other objects stay visible

3586
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:54,319
so once we you know we replied with that

3587
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:55,920
so they always come back with okay well

3588
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:57,359
let's see what can we say then so they

3589
02:20:02,469 --> 02:20:00,399
come back and they say oh well maybe the

3590
02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:02,479
camera is at the limits of its

3591
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,080
capability

3592
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:06,319
and so that's what's happening so of

3593
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:08,560
course the response is

3594
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:10,399
really so

3595
02:20:15,830 --> 02:20:12,880
you've got a camera at the limits of its

3596
02:20:18,230 --> 02:20:15,840
capability and the object disappears but

3597
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:18,240
the waves are still there i mean what

3598
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:21,200
camera does that yeah it would be like

3599
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:24,479
taking my regular canon camera and

3600
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:27,040
taking a picture of an object and this

3601
02:20:30,469 --> 02:20:28,960
bird disappears and the trees are still

3602
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:30,479
there and someone says

3603
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,240
oh well that was your camera losing

3604
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:34,080
focus on the birds but the trees are

3605
02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:35,200
still there

3606
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:36,319
i mean it's

3607
02:20:39,750 --> 02:20:37,920
it's just crazy some of the stuff

3608
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:39,760
they'll come up with it would be

3609
02:20:43,590 --> 02:20:42,080
interesting and refreshing just to hear

3610
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:43,600
them once

3611
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:46,640
debunkers you know i agree with the

3612
02:20:50,309 --> 02:20:48,160
the difference in definition with

3613
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:50,319
skeptics and debunkers but it'd be

3614
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:52,319
interesting if they just just for once

3615
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:53,200
said

3616
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:55,120
we can't explain it and they could leave

3617
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:57,200
it at that and that's not admitting its

3618
02:21:02,309 --> 02:21:00,080
high strange ufo whatever but if they

3619
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:02,319
could just admit maybe that they cannot

3620
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,359
either

3621
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:05,200
you know explain it but they never do

3622
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:07,040
they just trot off one answer after

3623
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,319
another

3624
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,560
absolutely and and that's my point too

3625
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:13,040
i'm i'm on the same page with you on

3626
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:14,240
that cogs

3627
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:16,399
um if they're truly

3628
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:18,560
a skeptic and not a debunker and they're

3629
02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:21,439
just trying to understand something then

3630
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:22,960
that's where they would have to leave it

3631
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,160
as well

3632
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:26,399
we don't have an explanation

3633
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:28,640
and it's interesting too that you know

3634
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:29,680
even though

3635
02:21:34,070 --> 02:21:32,479
of your position in mufon a well-known

3636
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,080
organization

3637
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:36,720
you're not starting the investigation of

3638
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:39,439
these cases saying this is definitely a

3639
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:42,000
flying saucer and i'm going to prove it

3640
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,600
you're looking at it

3641
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,520
trying to not

3642
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:47,680
cross off theories of what it could be

3643
02:21:52,630 --> 02:21:49,840
can you correlate this with that

3644
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,640
whatever and you know at the end of it

3645
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,720
you may say yeah we can't explain this

3646
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:56,000
it's kind of great

3647
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,600
it's really quite sad really that

3648
02:22:02,790 --> 02:21:59,840
because a lot of the debunkers are have

3649
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:02,800
scientific credentials but they are

3650
02:22:07,830 --> 02:22:04,960
totally going into it with the thing we

3651
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:07,840
are going to explain this away without

3652
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,080
you know it's that classic line it's it

3653
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:12,399
should be uh explaining you know

3654
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:14,560
investigating the unexplained not

3655
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:16,560
explaining the uninvestigated i think

3656
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:18,000
that's one of stanton freeman's

3657
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:19,040
treatments

3658
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:21,280
yes stanton has some good

3659
02:22:27,270 --> 02:22:24,479
phrases that kind of encapsulates some

3660
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,280
of those concepts uh and but you know

3661
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:29,680
actually to one thing you noted most

3662
02:22:33,429 --> 02:22:31,520
debunkers i've run into don't have

3663
02:22:34,790 --> 02:22:33,439
scientific backgrounds

3664
02:22:36,870 --> 02:22:34,800
it's um

3665
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:36,880
you know it's here's what i always say

3666
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:39,680
about a true debunker and i've asked

3667
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:41,359
some of them this

3668
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:44,240
it's like okay my just myself personally

3669
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:45,680
right i

3670
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:49,040
i have no desire to understand bigfoot i

3671
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:50,640
don't believe in bigfoot and you could

3672
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:52,880
probably never convince me right

3673
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:57,040
but i don't spend my life on bigfoot

3674
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:00,800
websites and bigfoot blobs arguing with

3675
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:02,800
people trying to convince them that

3676
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:04,800
bigfoot doesn't exist

3677
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:07,680
i mean why would i do that you know just

3678
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:10,160
from a psychological viewpoint why would

3679
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:11,359
you do that

3680
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:12,399
unless

3681
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:14,960
life is very sad if that's what you have

3682
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:18,640
to do too some sort of messianic sort of

3683
02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:20,800
martyrdom process

3684
02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:22,720
exactly yeah

3685
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:25,840
they need to get a life folks

3686
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:27,840
that's right i mean do something you

3687
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:29,840
enjoy rather than try to

3688
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:31,520
pay spend all your time on something

3689
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:34,240
that you hate well i guess they do enjoy

3690
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,240
this you know if you want to look at the

3691
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:38,960
psychology of a debunker they have to

3692
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:41,600
enjoy it to spend all that time doing it

3693
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:43,120
and maybe this is giving them some kind

3694
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:45,359
of status or they may feel

3695
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:47,280
that they are accomplishing something i

3696
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:49,359
mean it's it's a religious there's

3697
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:52,160
religious fervor involved

3698
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:54,240
plays on both ends of it listen guys we

3699
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have about a segment left so i want to

3700
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:58,399
move this along and maybe we have a very

3701
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quick

3702
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couple of questions for our next segment

3703
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but one question i want to leave on the

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table with our final segment with you

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robert is since we're hopefully on the

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from the modern ufo era i'd say the last

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five or ten years what would you come up

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with if you were asked about it

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hi it's grant cameron from presidential

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so in our final segment with robert

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powell of mufon if you're asked two or

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three key cases the most compelling

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evidence of recent years forgetting

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about all the stuff from the 70s and 60s

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and 50s and 40s what would you suggest

3824
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:26,000
the ones i would mention gene one would

3825
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:27,760
be stephenville

3826
02:29:31,590 --> 02:29:29,920
and another one is one that we just

3827
02:29:34,070 --> 02:29:31,600
finished investigating and actually

3828
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:34,080
still are that occurred in ontario

3829
02:29:39,910 --> 02:29:37,680
canada in the fall of 2013

3830
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:39,920
and it's basically a case where you have

3831
02:29:46,150 --> 02:29:42,240
three hunters who are out in the middle

3832
02:29:47,190 --> 02:29:46,160
of nowhere they see a barbell-shaped

3833
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:47,200
object

3834
02:29:53,990 --> 02:29:50,880
and they estimate its height at 400 feet

3835
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:54,000
and it's about 400 feet away from them

3836
02:29:58,950 --> 02:29:57,040
and their camera stops working

3837
02:30:01,830 --> 02:29:58,960
their video camera

3838
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:01,840
only partially works what's unique about

3839
02:30:06,230 --> 02:30:05,040
this case is the main witness of these

3840
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:06,240
three hunters

3841
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:09,520
is actually a research scientist who

3842
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,080
owns his own company and has contracts

3843
02:30:17,349 --> 02:30:14,560
with the department of defense so this

3844
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:17,359
guy spent three to four minutes

3845
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:19,439
observing this object

3846
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:22,399
actually through the scopes of the rifle

3847
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:24,319
they were out hunting black bear

3848
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:26,319
he's just looking at it through his

3849
02:30:31,429 --> 02:30:28,479
rifle scope for about three minutes

3850
02:30:34,070 --> 02:30:31,439
taking notes and he's become enamored on

3851
02:30:36,790 --> 02:30:34,080
trying to figure out what this object is

3852
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:36,800
and i flew up to meet the guy

3853
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:39,200
to see his r d lab

3854
02:30:43,030 --> 02:30:40,800
because i wanted to make sure this guy

3855
02:30:45,270 --> 02:30:43,040
was for real right you know this wasn't

3856
02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:45,280
some joker just making things up

3857
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:47,920
and i verified you know that he works

3858
02:30:53,429 --> 02:30:50,000
with the government i verified his

3859
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:53,439
company i verified the patents he has

3860
02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:55,840
and this guy has plenty of money so it's

3861
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:59,120
not like he needs money that is

3862
02:31:02,950 --> 02:31:00,720
interesting case

3863
02:31:04,790 --> 02:31:02,960
this guy was a company do you know if he

3864
02:31:07,750 --> 02:31:04,800
had an opinion one way or the other

3865
02:31:09,750 --> 02:31:07,760
about the subject of ufos before this

3866
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:09,760
and that maybe his opinion was changed

3867
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:12,240
or his mind was opened up a little to

3868
02:31:17,110 --> 02:31:14,640
possibilities i i asked him that

3869
02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:17,120
question cogs and he said that he'd

3870
02:31:20,230 --> 02:31:18,720
always thought that it's likely that

3871
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:20,240
there's life out in the rest of the

3872
02:31:24,150 --> 02:31:22,399
universe but he said he had never really

3873
02:31:27,270 --> 02:31:24,160
thought too much about

3874
02:31:29,750 --> 02:31:27,280
the ufo topic per se until he had this

3875
02:31:31,590 --> 02:31:29,760
event occur and now he can't stop

3876
02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:31,600
thinking about it something like that

3877
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:33,600
will definitely uh it'll it'll really

3878
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:36,319
make you pause and reassess so go very

3879
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:38,399
quickly before we go i wanted to ask you

3880
02:31:43,349 --> 02:31:40,319
about your involvement with leslie keane

3881
02:31:45,190 --> 02:31:43,359
and mark roediger's ufo data project

3882
02:31:47,429 --> 02:31:45,200
we had both of them on the show about a

3883
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:47,439
year ago and offered to try to help them

3884
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:49,280
out and they never really followed up on

3885
02:31:53,910 --> 02:31:51,760
their professed interest in my san luis

3886
02:31:55,110 --> 02:31:53,920
valley camera project where is that

3887
02:31:57,270 --> 02:31:55,120
project right now i see that you're

3888
02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:57,280
affiliated with it uh have they made any

3889
02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:59,280
progress uh where are they at in their

3890
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,319
process

3891
02:32:04,950 --> 02:32:02,560
no i i don't think

3892
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:04,960
we've made good progress in the last

3893
02:32:10,630 --> 02:32:08,960
year i think the driving factor on it is

3894
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:10,640
two things one

3895
02:32:15,190 --> 02:32:13,600
we need a software package

3896
02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:15,200
that basically

3897
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:18,080
will work with the cameras and that can

3898
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:18,800
be

3899
02:32:23,429 --> 02:32:21,439
tied in through the internet

3900
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:23,439
and they can recognize objects in the

3901
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:25,280
sky that are moving not moving i know

3902
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:27,040
that sounds simple but when you start

3903
02:32:32,150 --> 02:32:29,520
talking about a cloud that moves a leaf

3904
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:32,160
that falls and then signals

3905
02:32:35,110 --> 02:32:33,840
yeah we've been working on that

3906
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:35,120
particular

3907
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:38,000
aspect of tweaking us real shot manager

3908
02:32:40,870 --> 02:32:39,120
which is a

3909
02:32:42,710 --> 02:32:40,880
surveillance uh record

3910
02:32:45,030 --> 02:32:42,720
detect motion record on you know record

3911
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:45,040
on motion and we've got the software

3912
02:32:49,510 --> 02:32:47,200
which here it's open source uh if you're

3913
02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:49,520
willing to use it we can give it to you

3914
02:32:51,990 --> 02:32:51,040
so i mean there are ways to work around

3915
02:32:53,270 --> 02:32:52,000
all that and this is what i was

3916
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:53,280
explaining to them and i'm surprised

3917
02:32:57,990 --> 02:32:55,520
they never followed up and and uh really

3918
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:58,000
spoke to me as as you probably know uh

3919
02:33:01,190 --> 02:32:59,840
through jan that we've uh

3920
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:01,200
we've been working kind of loosely with

3921
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:02,880
you guys out there in orange county and

3922
02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:03,920
stuff

3923
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:05,200
you know we really have made a lot of

3924
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:07,120
progress and and we do have an

3925
02:33:12,309 --> 02:33:09,840
operational uh detect on motion uh

3926
02:33:13,910 --> 02:33:12,319
software package now yeah i think the

3927
02:33:15,590 --> 02:33:13,920
second thing i was going to say chris is

3928
02:33:17,429 --> 02:33:15,600
probably the is

3929
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:17,439
is the other thing is i think we really

3930
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:19,840
need a project manager for example i

3931
02:33:24,550 --> 02:33:22,560
don't have time myself to to manage the

3932
02:33:26,150 --> 02:33:24,560
project but i think it uh because

3933
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:26,160
there's so many different people that

3934
02:33:29,750 --> 02:33:27,680
are part of it

3935
02:33:33,510 --> 02:33:29,760
and that's what i think it it requires i

3936
02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:33,520
think it's similar to ufo tag which uh

3937
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:36,080
you know turnbull and and mark d'antonio

3938
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:37,200
are doing right

3939
02:33:41,590 --> 02:33:39,280
um i think we need a project manager to

3940
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:41,600
just pull all those things together one

3941
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:42,880
thing you'll probably get a kick out of

3942
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:44,640
this the guy that i just told you about

3943
02:33:50,870 --> 02:33:47,200
on the uh the dumbbell

3944
02:33:52,550 --> 02:33:50,880
right a ufo up in canada yeah he he

3945
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:52,560
brought up that issue to me about a

3946
02:33:56,469 --> 02:33:54,800
month ago he said you know why don't we

3947
02:33:57,990 --> 02:33:56,479
have a system and

3948
02:33:59,830 --> 02:33:58,000
then i told him you know i said well you

3949
02:34:02,230 --> 02:33:59,840
were working on it and uh you know

3950
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:02,240
there's ufo talking about data it's a

3951
02:34:05,270 --> 02:34:02,960
great

3952
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:05,280
question it's it's like

3953
02:34:08,309 --> 02:34:06,800
trying to hunt a needle in a stack of

3954
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:08,319
needles

3955
02:34:12,309 --> 02:34:10,479
you really you have to know where to set

3956
02:34:13,750 --> 02:34:12,319
these systems up and they have to be

3957
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:13,760
they have to be uh

3958
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:15,280
you have to have portable versions and

3959
02:34:18,469 --> 02:34:16,720
then you have to have

3960
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:18,479
static versions

3961
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:20,800
in areas that you know have a higher

3962
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:23,120
percentage or a chance of of having

3963
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:24,880
repeatable events

3964
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:26,880
like events in a single

3965
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:29,520
single uh you know geologic area if you

3966
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:32,880
will or geographic area and then they

3967
02:34:38,150 --> 02:34:34,960
use the euphotog approach which is more

3968
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:38,160
of a a quick dispatch team

3969
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,319
you know kind of like a a monitoring

3970
02:34:43,750 --> 02:34:42,080
team that's sent to uh to an ongoing

3971
02:34:45,190 --> 02:34:43,760
flap of activity

3972
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:45,200
that's maybe erupting somewhere in the

3973
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:47,040
midwest or wherever

3974
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,880
so there are a couple approaches and

3975
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:50,240
then of course

3976
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:54,000
having a ufo cube sat whatever

3977
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:56,960
somehow monitoring um particular hotspot

3978
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:58,399
areas that we uh

3979
02:35:01,670 --> 02:35:00,240
we have a better chance of recording

3980
02:35:02,950 --> 02:35:01,680
activity

3981
02:35:05,510 --> 02:35:02,960
right yeah i think

3982
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:05,520
all those are

3983
02:35:07,990 --> 02:35:06,880
especially if you could do all of them

3984
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:08,000
together

3985
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:09,760
yeah it's it's money it's budget you

3986
02:35:12,710 --> 02:35:10,479
know

3987
02:35:15,030 --> 02:35:12,720
something like this we're talking

3988
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:15,040
you know just for our our particular

3989
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:16,560
we're going to be doing a hundred

3990
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:17,920
thousand dollar

3991
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:20,800
uh gofundme campaign um as soon as we we

3992
02:35:24,389 --> 02:35:21,680
get up

3993
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:24,399
the base station cameras up and and has

3994
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:25,520
produced some

3995
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:27,439
footage so we have the we have the uh

3996
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:30,080
the net live feed on um when we get to

3997
02:35:34,309 --> 02:35:32,160
that point uh we're then going to uh do

3998
02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:34,319
a gofundme effort and

3999
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:35,359
and

4000
02:35:39,910 --> 02:35:38,160
do a real serious attempt at raising the

4001
02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:39,920
kind of funds that it would take to uh

4002
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:42,000
to get a full three camera

4003
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:44,800
package uh with uh accompanying three

4004
02:35:47,750 --> 02:35:45,920
camera

4005
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:47,760
forward-looking infrared

4006
02:35:53,030 --> 02:35:49,359
well i i definitely hope you're

4007
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:55,429
we've been working on it ten years

4008
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:56,880
uh it's it's

4009
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,560
a lot more difficult than than people

4010
02:36:02,150 --> 02:36:00,640
think and and the optical stuff is not

4011
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:02,160
the only data we're going after we're

4012
02:36:06,950 --> 02:36:04,479
going after magnetic gravitational

4013
02:36:09,110 --> 02:36:06,960
uh we want to you know split up the

4014
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:09,120
light spectra and to

4015
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:11,280
you know light into spectra

4016
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,960
you know with blaze gratings and things

4017
02:36:16,950 --> 02:36:14,399
of that sort

4018
02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:16,960
extremely low frequency recordings would

4019
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:18,640
be acoustic you know

4020
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:20,960
prints that sort of thing would be great

4021
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:24,160
so even having a dedicated uh aimed

4022
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:27,840
pulse kind of uh slit uh radar active

4023
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:29,439
radar you know there's other things that

4024
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:31,040
we would like to do along with the

4025
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:32,640
optical stuff the optical stuff is just

4026
02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:33,280
the

4027
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:39,040
scientist

4028
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:39,920
right

4029
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:41,920
yeah you know you'd think the government

4030
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:43,359
would be doing something like that of

4031
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:45,760
course they probably are well they are

4032
02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:47,840
in white sands it'll score a peak at

4033
02:36:52,150 --> 02:36:50,319
least they have done down there we've

4034
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:52,160
got to go right now because we're out of

4035
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:54,319
time that was such a quick session with

4036
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:56,399
robert powell and i hope we'll have him

4037
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:58,640
on for a full power cast episode in the

4038
02:37:02,230 --> 02:37:00,720
near future in the meantime would you

4039
02:37:04,790 --> 02:37:02,240
tell our listeners if they want to know

4040
02:37:06,630 --> 02:37:04,800
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4041
02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:06,640
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4042
02:37:10,630 --> 02:37:08,800
to mufon.com

4043
02:37:12,150 --> 02:37:10,640
they have by the way digital memberships

4044
02:37:14,389 --> 02:37:12,160
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4045
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:14,399
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4046
02:37:18,309 --> 02:37:16,240
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4047
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:18,319
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4048
02:37:22,550 --> 02:37:20,720
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4049
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,560
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4050
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:24,560
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4051
02:37:27,349 --> 02:37:26,080
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4052
02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:27,359
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4053
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:29,520
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4054
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:30,560
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4055
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:32,880
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4056
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:35,359
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4057
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4059
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4060
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4065
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4068
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4069
02:38:07,270 --> 02:38:04,280
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4070
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4074
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:15,120
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4075
02:38:20,710 --> 02:38:17,439
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4076
02:38:22,309 --> 02:38:20,720
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4077
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:22,319
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4078
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:24,160
real good news by the way chris

4079
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:31,510
our strangeplant.com he started posting

4080
02:38:34,710 --> 02:38:33,600
new updates after about a year or a year

4081
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:34,720
and a half

4082
02:38:38,550 --> 02:38:36,960
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4083
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4084
02:38:44,389 --> 02:38:41,760
to make that site better than ever so

4085
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:44,399
check it out thanks chris robert powell

4086
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:45,920
thank you for joining us on the

4087
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:47,280
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4088
02:39:02,389 --> 02:38:49,520
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4089
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:05,270
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4090
02:39:11,110 --> 02:39:08,160
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4091
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4092
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